Pattern Welded Straight Kris

[Ian]

Originally Posted by Rick

If this represents batu lapak then according to Tammens book DE KRIS it is a royal pamor.

Tammens notes that kul buntet is essentially different, but it's character may be stronger.

I have seen no evidence before this to suggest that pamor interpretations were carried over to the Moro peoples.

It might make a bit more sense if it was a Malay kris.

Hi Rick,

Do you think this is a Malay kris? Can you amplify?

The hilt looks typical Maranao work, especially with the crenalated metal ring just below the pommel, while the "elephant trunk area" does not look like Malay examples I have seen previously.

The link to a royal pamor is an intriguing observation given the high level of craftsmanship for the forging that went into this blade.

Ian.

[Battara]

Ian I was thinking that this could be Maranao or perhaps (more likely IMHO) Maguindanao based on the front of the ganga and on the pommel.

Also can the hilt looks like it could be later (though not as certain as the tribal affiliation).

[Rick]

Originally Posted by Ian

Hi Rick,

Do you think this is a Malay kris? Can you amplify?

The hilt looks typical Maranao work, especially with the crenalated metal ring just below the pommel, while the "elephant trunk area" does not look like Malay examples I have seen previously.

The link to a royal pamor is an intriguing observation given the high level of craftsmanship for the forging that went into this blade.

Ian.

Hi Ian,
No I can't amplify; just thinking out loud.
Thinking out loud again, maybe if it were a Malay sword there might be a closer tie to Javanese keris traditions.

Yeah, I know it doesn't look particularly Malay.
I have always wondered if this 'Maranao' pommel form comes from trying to salvage what is left of a broken Kakatua.
Heresy, I know...

[Battara]

Originally Posted by Rick

I have always wondered if this 'Maranao' pommel form comes from trying to salvage what is left of a broken Kakatua.
Heresy, I know...

Actually this is a typical form of Maguindanao pommel form.

[Rick]

Whichever Moro group Jose; I still wonder about the origin of the design.

[Battara]

Originally Posted by Rick

I have always wondered if this 'Maranao' pommel form comes from trying to salvage what is left of a broken Kakatua.
Heresy, I know...

Actually this is a typical form of Maguindanao pommel form.

Here are some examples of what I am talking about:

[Ian]

Originally Posted by Battara

Actually this is a typical form of Maguindanao pommel form.

Here are some examples of what I am talking about:

I agree Jose. This is a commonly observed type of pommel that I associate with Maguindanao/Maranao kris from the late 19th C and more recently. I have also seen it imitated on a couple of Lumad kris (an example here)

Ian

[Sajen]

A little bit late but this is a very nice kris blade! And like Jose I think that it is a Maguindanao kris but frankly said I have my problems to distinguish between Maguindanao and Maranao byself! I only know that it is a Maguindanao kris from this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=kris since this kris from my collection has a very similar pommel and in the provided thread is also a discussion about this pommel form.

Regards,
Detlef