european sword for ID

Jim McDougall · 10th March 2017, 05:28 PM

Exellent Mark!!! and very much agreed , we may be looking at the same shop and period or quite close, and at this early date most likely Passau, which was easily in range of Italy. In all the years of study this in the first evidence I have seen of any consistency or continuity in these typically disparate figures.
It has generally been held that these were almost randomly chiseled into blades by various individuals in shops with varying skill or artistic acumen thus resulting in an almost impressionist style. In many cases these are almost indiscernible, and were thought of as almost a temporally viewed imbuement of meaning unclear in later times.

Reventlov · 14th March 2017, 03:39 AM

Here's another example of the wolf and monstrance marks appearing together on a sword in Frankfurt - very similar in style to the sword in the first post. I'm curious as to other members' opinions on the authenticity of the hilt however...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/980156...th/9244609491/

The wolf and the mark of a star are similar to those that appear on one of the other swords shown in the Czech article I mentioned. There seems to be another group that can be made here where the wolves are all very similar in form and technique, and appear in some combination with a small number of other recurring marks: the star, the monstrance, the orb, and possibly one or two others.

The wolf and star appear on sword number J.16 in the Musée de l'Armée, though I haven't been able to locate a photo of this one, or determine if the wolf is similar to the others. Does anyone know anything more about this sword?

14th March 2017, 03:39 AM	#2
Reventlov Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 138	Here's another example of the wolf and monstrance marks appearing together on a sword in Frankfurt - very similar in style to the sword in the first post. I'm curious as to other members' opinions on the authenticity of the hilt however... https://www.flickr.com/photos/980156...th/9244609491/ The wolf and the mark of a star are similar to those that appear on one of the other swords shown in the Czech article I mentioned. There seems to be another group that can be made here where the wolves are all very similar in form and technique, and appear in some combination with a small number of other recurring marks: the star, the monstrance, the orb, and possibly one or two others. The wolf and star appear on sword number J.16 in the Musée de l'Armée, though I haven't been able to locate a photo of this one, or determine if the wolf is similar to the others. Does anyone know anything more about this sword? Attached Images

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10th March 2017, 05:28 PM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	Exellent Mark!!! and very much agreed , we may be looking at the same shop and period or quite close, and at this early date most likely Passau, which was easily in range of Italy. In all the years of study this in the first evidence I have seen of any consistency or continuity in these typically disparate figures. It has generally been held that these were almost randomly chiseled into blades by various individuals in shops with varying skill or artistic acumen thus resulting in an almost impressionist style. In many cases these are almost indiscernible, and were thought of as almost a temporally viewed imbuement of meaning unclear in later times.