ALGERIAN MIQULET FOR COMMENT

Kubur · 9th December 2016, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fernando K

Hello
Just to say it's not a lock miguelete. Is a lock "to the morlacca" or "to the mojaca". The miguelete has "pin" and two "chocks". This key has a safety hook, and the shot is produced by a single "chock". It has many characteristics of the lock miguelete and has as antecedent the lock of "agujeta".

That's correct and very true.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fernando K

Hello
It was produced by the Bresia gunsmiths to export to the East, and then copied by the native gunsmiths.
Fernando K

I'm not sure about that.
I was thinking that this lock came from Spanish Holland to Spain and then North Africa...
What you propose is probably true for the Balkans and also Turkey.
Kubur

Miqueleter · 11th December 2016, 10:51 AM

I am solidly with Fernando K on this one, that is, this lock is a "stretched" agujeta lock, a type of lock probably born in Brescia, copied in North Africa, may or may not have preceded the classic patilla miquelet, but certainly ended up as the "romanlock". This lock appears to be missing the "catch" part of the back catch to the hammer, which leaves the lock with only one precarious full cock bent/notch/choke.

Kubar hinted that the lock may have come from Holland. Maybe so. The N. African model of the snaphance most likely came from Holland, as well as other European manufacturers for the North African trade, some locks and such for ransom payments and just plain commerce. No dispute on that, per Elgood. Just sayin'

At any rate, nice find. Respectfully, Jw

Fernando K · 11th December 2016, 11:29 AM

Miqueleter

The lock of "agujeta" called by the Spaniards also "lock of transition" also influences to the lock of Ceylan, via Portugal

Fernando K

BANDOOK · 12th December 2016, 11:06 AM

THANKS FERNANDO K,MIQUELTER J.K ,KUBUR,IBRAHIIM,RICK
SOME MORE PICTURES AS PROMISED AS GUN IS IN MY HAND NOW
MANY THANKS RAJESH

Fernando K · 12th December 2016, 02:45 PM

Hello, Bandook

It seems to me that the end of the royal pier has broken. It's like this

Fernando K

BANDOOK · 12th December 2016, 09:40 PM

HI FERNANDO NO PICTURE TO SHOW AN EXAMPLE,REGARDS RAJESH

rickystl · 17th December 2016, 07:46 PM

Hi Rajesh.

Thanks for the additional photos. It looks like a nice piece, that should clean up well with a little work.
After looking further, it does appear Fernando K is correct. It seems a tiny piece of the brass covered support plate, just in front of the screw, is broke. But the mainspring does not rest on this piece. It rests on the toe of the hammer. See photo below. The mainspring does not "appear" to be broke. Possibly someone was trying to do some type of repair, but did not really know what they are doing (?) Hopefully, there is a gunsmith in your area that is familiar with the early guns/locks. You would be surprised at how many modern gunsmiths are not. If you can't locate one, send me a PM.

Rick

11th December 2016, 11:29 AM	#3
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11th December 2016, 10:51 AM	#2
Miqueleter Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 39	I am solidly with Fernando K on this one, that is, this lock is a "stretched" agujeta lock, a type of lock probably born in Brescia, copied in North Africa, may or may not have preceded the classic patilla miquelet, but certainly ended up as the "romanlock". This lock appears to be missing the "catch" part of the back catch to the hammer, which leaves the lock with only one precarious full cock bent/notch/choke. Kubar hinted that the lock may have come from Holland. Maybe so. The N. African model of the snaphance most likely came from Holland, as well as other European manufacturers for the North African trade, some locks and such for ransom payments and just plain commerce. No dispute on that, per Elgood. Just sayin' At any rate, nice find. Respectfully, Jw

12th December 2016, 02:45 PM	#5
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 672	Hello, Bandook It seems to me that the end of the royal pier has broken. It's like this Fernando K

12th December 2016, 09:40 PM	#6
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 627	HI FERNANDO NO PICTURE TO SHOW AN EXAMPLE,REGARDS RAJESH

17th December 2016, 07:46 PM	#7
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Hi Rajesh. Thanks for the additional photos. It looks like a nice piece, that should clean up well with a little work. After looking further, it does appear Fernando K is correct. It seems a tiny piece of the brass covered support plate, just in front of the screw, is broke. But the mainspring does not rest on this piece. It rests on the toe of the hammer. See photo below. The mainspring does not "appear" to be broke. Possibly someone was trying to do some type of repair, but did not really know what they are doing (?) Hopefully, there is a gunsmith in your area that is familiar with the early guns/locks. You would be surprised at how many modern gunsmiths are not. If you can't locate one, send me a PM. Rick