A late 16th century Dussack for comment

[Cerjak]

Great Jasper!
Thank you very much for your research

[Cerjak]

a similar hilt

[Tordenskiold1721]

Two similar hilts below.

The story that created the name "Sinclair Sabre":

At the Battle at Kringen, Norway 16 August 1612 it is likely that both the 400 - 600 Scottish soldiers where armed with the same type of swords that the Norwegian Peasant militia where armed with. The so called "Sinclair sabre" = Dussack.

King Christian IV(1577 - 1648, same king that lost the battle at Lutter 1626) had sent the first shipment of Dussack's to Norway in 1598 among other arms to build up the Norwegian Pesant milita's capability in preparation for war against Sweden. The battle at Kringen was part of this war that came, the Kalmar war 1611 - 1613. Denmark won.

The Peasant Militia was most likely well armed with snaphaunce muskets, hunting spears, pikes, Norwegian battle axes and Tessaks / Dussack's that is the Norwegian name for Dussack.

The Scottish corps under the command of Alexander Ramsay accompanied by George Sinclair was lightly armed and had been given the promise of being properly armed when joining the Swedish army in Southern Sweden. In addition to being well armed, the Norwegian Peasant militia had the advantage of an ambush from the high ground forcing the Scott's to fight in a chokepoint with little space for maneuver and escape. The ambush was sprung with an avalanche of rocks, followed with wooleys of musket fire before a full on attack with Dussack's, axes and pikes. supported by musket fire. Thus almost all Scott's died in the battle. 12 was captured and brought to Akershus castle while a unknown number of prisoners where tortured and executed the evening after the battle. Alexander Ramsay was killed early in the battle and George Sinclair was shoot dead with his pregnant wife during the battle. Brutal times!

[Cerjak]

[QUOTE=Tordenskiold1721]Two similar hilts below.
Arne

Thank you very much to have post this two nice examples.
Best
JLC

[cornelistromp]

Hi Jean Luc,

globular pommels are fairly simple in form but are rarely found on swords and rapiers in the 16thC.

In the Low Countries (Netherlands) unless other countries globular pommels were common between 1575-1600. frequently depicted in Dutch art. on rapiers and around 1650 on smallswords


therefore your transition dussage-rapier fits much better in a Dutch collection than in a French one , Don't you agree

above dussage typeF is a nice example, herewith some more pics.
forsvaret museum Aalborg Denmark nr. FMU.001156/5021/19644

[Cerjak]

Originally Posted by cornelistromp

Hi Jean Luc,

globular pommels are fairly simple in form but are rarely found on swords and rapiers in the 16thC.

In the Low Countries (Netherlands) unless other countries globular pommels were common between 1575-1600. frequently depicted in Dutch art. on rapiers and around 1650 on smallswords


therefore your transition dussage-rapier fits much better in a Dutch collection than in a French one , Don't you agree

above dussage typeF is a nice example, herewith some more pics.
forsvaret museum Aalborg Denmark nr. FMU.001156/5021/19644

Jasper

Thank you for this additional pics and also museum references who are so important.
"therefore your transition dussage-rapier fits much better in a Dutch collection than in a French one , Don't you agree "

It would be a shame if something happened to this sword.I know that your walls are already full ,and I would be very worried to hear that this sword is laying on your floor. But if you are ready to change your decoration ( less German but more Dutch) I could always help you to make space and could advice you which two hands swords or Katbalger you should sell or swap to me.

best

Jean-Luc

[cornelistromp]

Originally Posted by Cerjak

Jasper

Thank you for this additional pics and also museum references who are so important.
"therefore your transition dussage-rapier fits much better in a Dutch collection than in a French one , Don't you agree "

It would be a shame if something happened to this sword.I know that your walls are already full ,and I would be very worried to hear that this sword is laying on your floor. But if you are ready to change your decoration ( less German but more Dutch) I could always help you to make space and could advice you which two hands swords or Katbalger you should sell or swap to me.

best

Jean-Luc

We can discuss it after! a good bottle of Bordeaux -gcc, because I have a very pretty Afghan rifle to swap that could fit well in your collection.

[Tordenskiold1721]

Just a small correction Jasper. FMU stands for Forsvars Museet that is located at Akershus Fortress in Oslo. This are Norwegian Tessak's imported from Amsterdam and Hamburg between 1598 - approx 1611

Aalborg is in Denmark and I don't think they have a arms and Armour museum. Just so that we stay true to history. It always helps in keeping us honest in understanding this beautiful Pisces

Why do you think this swords has anything to do with Aalborg ? In fact this is the area of the former Denmark Norway where we have not found any Dussack's. Are you simply making things up ?

We can all visit the Norwegian National museum website and search for Tessak and a number of Dussack's will show up:

https://digitaltmuseum.no/search/?aq...3A%22tessak%22

Where you get Aalborg involved in this I simply do not know. When that is said I do have some very good collector friends in Aalborg.

Do you understand the typology you are referring too ? And what literature reference the web site from the Norwegian national museum is using?

This typology is limited to the commonly Tessak's found in Norway and does not cover all Types found in Europe. Also found here:

http://norskevaapen.no/wp-content/up...saktgrep21.jpg

The typology was made in a study by Per Terje Norheim and this is the main types found in Norway, imported from Hamburg and likely Amsterdam. Delivered in Bergen and Christiania(Now Oslo). Just like Petersen's typology from 1919 is based on Viking swords found in Norway only and later expended by Oakeshott typology that includes Viking swords and later swords from the whole of Europe, I am sure someone will switch on to Per Terje Norheims work and make a lot of money from expanding his typology. History has a tendency to repeat itself. This might be the type of work that would be right up your ally? = Someones else intellectual property translated and expanded in the English language.

"It's in attention to detail truth will prevail"

[cornelistromp]

Originally Posted by Tordenskiold1721

Just a small correction Jasper. FMU stands for Forsvars Museet that is located at Akershus Fortress in Oslo. This are Norwegian Tessak's imported from Amsterdam and Hamburg between 1598 - approx 1611

Aalborg is in Denmark and I don't think they have a arms and Armour museum. Just so that we stay true to history. It always helps in keeping us honest in understanding this beautiful Pisces

sorry my mistake, there is also a Forsvars museum in Aalborg, just mixed up two museums with the same name.

this is historically and scientifically speaking, of course, totally unacceptable to make such a huge mistake.

http://www.forsvarsmuseum.dk/


I always (try to) put the source with the articles and photos I place.

you should try to do the same, in the interest of "staying true to history".


however the real reason for your overreaction is that you're like me're very interested in obtaining the dussage of post #1.

this I do understand because it is a very beautiful and exceptional specimen.

best,
Jasper

[Cerjak]

Originally Posted by cornelistromp

We can discuss it after! a good bottle of Bordeaux -gcc, because I have a very pretty Afghan rifle to swap that could fit well in your collection.

Jasper ,
Of course we can always discuss but even with a mathusalem I do think that you have any chance with this swap ,and you did not tell me if this Kalashnikov is Chinese or Russian pattern.
best

Jean-Luc

[cornelistromp]

Originally Posted by Cerjak

Jasper ,
Of course we can always discuss but even with a mathusalem I do think that you have any chance with this swap ,and you did not tell me if this Kalashnikov is Chinese or Russian pattern.
best

Jean-Luc

it is older, something like this
forget it, I have a better idea, the '47 we drink '48 we swap for the sword.


jasper