Identification help?

[ulfberth]

Hi all,

As for being an Original or not, when zooming in on these pictures detail gets lost just before the point they should become visible.
What is visible in the pictures is that this is not a left hand sword.
If you look at the position of the thumb ring and the position of the branch protecting the thumb it becomes clear that its a right hand sword.
Im not so sure the sword is too short either, the type as a one handed sword and keeping mind that this guard is not that heavy I would say between 100 CM and 110 is normal ( give or take a few CM )


kind regards

Ulfberth

[cornelistromp]

Originally Posted by ulfberth

Hi all,

As for being an Original or not, when zooming in on these pictures detail gets lost just before the point they should become visible.
What is visible in the pictures is that this is not a left hand sword.
If you look at the position of the thumb ring and the position of the branch protecting the thumb it becomes clear that its a right hand sword.
Im not so sure the sword is too short either, the type as a one handed sword and keeping mind that this guard is not that heavy I would say between 100 CM and 110 is normal ( give or take a few CM )


kind regards

Ulfberth

Hi Ulfberth,
sorry to have to say that this sword can not be hold (properly) in your right hand, then the bracket is in the way.
it is 100% a left hander.

please compare and see post #7 this is the same innerguard for a right handed sword.

maybe a picture can be posted with the sword in the left and right hand, thumb over the ring, index finger around the ricasso, then it will be very obvious.

The length can be anything, the few of this type that I have measured were between 90-100cm, Iam curious what the length of this one measures.

best,
jasper

[ulfberth]

Well that's good news Jasper, it means at least one of us is going to learn something.
The more knowledge that can be shared the better

Originally Posted by cornelistromp

Hi Ulfberth,
sorry to have to say that this sword can not be hold (properly) in your right hand, then the bracket is in the way.
it is 100% a left hander.

please compare and see post #7 this is the same innerguard for a right handed sword.

maybe a picture can be posted with the sword in the left and right hand, thumb over the ring, index finger around the ricasso, then it will be very obvious.

The length can be anything, the few of this type that I have measured were between 90-100cm, Iam curious what the length of this one measures.

best,
jasper

kind regards Ulfberth

[iskender]

gentlemen, there is a tread from 12. november 2008 from michael trömner showing " A fine South German One and a Half Sword ca 1525 " I`m correct to assume the guard is a mirror variant of the sword shown above ? When yes do we have a left and right version? As for the theorie this could be thougt as a " Linkhanddolch" i suppose rather not ,i dont see noble fights in my visions of the 80Year-War ending up as the 30 Year-War. on most of the paintings and "kupferstiche" out of that time ,you can see horrible scenes of people killing,torturing and massacre each other with pistols ,muskets, axes, halberts,swords,polarms, cannons etc. the rest suspended on trees ,beheaded and burnt on the pyre! it also would be interesting when somebody nows about the stamp of the smith and his succsessors,i have seen a similar on a german sword of justice made in solingen. A nice Weekend to you all !!! Iskender

[cornelistromp]

hi Iskender,

yes correct, for rapiers there are left and right hand versions, this is indicated by the known inner and outer guard types which are mirrored so that the rapier can be used for the left hand.



Just as today there are left and right handed people, the above sword is a sword for a left handed guy, this has nothing to do with a left handed dagger. besides the length is too large for that.

best,
Jasper

[iskender]

Originally Posted by cornelistromp

hi Iskender,

yes correct, for rapiers there are left and right hand versions, this is indicated by the known inner and outer guard types which are mirrored so that the rapier can be used for the left hand.



Just as today there are left and right handed people, the above sword is a sword for a left handed guy, this has nothing to do with a left handed dagger. besides the length is too large for that.

best,
Jasper

Thanks for the information! iskender

[corrado26]

I found at a German dealer the sword shown by the fotos attached. It is described as German about 1560 and shows very similar details to the piece in question. But look at its hilt, it differs very much! So I am still convinced that the sword in question is a fake!
corrado26

[Cathey]

Hi Guys

I have been watching this thread with interest and also support the view that the sword is original.

I think that given the quality and quantity of questionable rapiers on the market as collectors we may be becoming jaded. What I mean is that we expect every rapier we see to be a fake, I know I have been guilty of this on many occasions.

Both Rex and I have probably walked away from some good swords over the years just because we went in assuming something will be wrong with it and then convinced ourselves that something was.

Nice sword and I also support the left handed theory.

Cheers Cathey and Rex