Keris Holders

David · 2nd October 2015, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

The big stumbling block with acquisition is the "reasonable price " parameter, David. In Indonesia, decent old ones cost an arm and a couple of legs, and they are invariably very, very heavy, which makes the transport of them a considerable cost.

I reckon "buy local" is the only way to go with these things.

Yes, prices on the true antiques can be quite high and if it is being shipped overseas the extra costs can be very high. Personally i am not so concerned about age of the holder as much as artistic expession. The oldest one i own might be from the 1970s. All were bought from sellers in the States though.

A. G. Maisey · 2nd October 2015, 02:27 AM

Yes, I understand what you're saying, and my attitude is pretty similar. In fact, I buy any decent one I see, provided I can afford it. I've only got two old ones though, they're probably early 20th century, maybe late 19th century, they both weigh a ton, they cost me small fortune to buy, and another to get home to Australia, but they are the only truly old, good ones I've ever seen for sale.

David · 2nd October 2015, 05:20 AM

So i guess i'm a little slow even though i posted the link.
I just have to say that considering Cynthia's mining of this forum for information as well as the visual contribution made by various EAAF members, she really dissed us not making any mention of the forum in her opening acknowledgment.

A. G. Maisey · 2nd October 2015, 05:48 AM

Yeah, it could be read as disrespect, but being the kind hearted person I am, I'd prefer to read it as marketing: the way in which she presented her attributions gives the impression of long and diligent research, much more impressive to the people who would evaluate the paper than attaching the attributions to an internet Forum.

Rick · 2nd October 2015, 03:42 PM

I would guess that: 'I got it off the Web' is probably the kiss of death to papers such as this .

David · 2nd October 2015, 04:03 PM

Sorry, she acknowledged her "friends and family". She could have very easily added "and my friends at EAAF" without giving much away on that front.

asomotif · 2nd October 2015, 11:01 PM

Thank you Alan for posting this academic paper.

I like figure 2 ;-). Pretty weird to see that I am a Australian collector.

I agree that referring to the forum would have been a nice gesture, but would on the other hand indeed be "the kiss of death" and bring the thesis back to a high school project level.

I am surprised to see 2 estatically very very poor statues in this paper with full credits and including a link to the website of a commercial trader.

But otherwise, I am very happy to see this new thread combining this thesis with other interesting threads, indeed showing a lot of very fine examples.
Thank you Alan and David.

Best regards,
Willem

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2nd October 2015, 02:27 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,228	Yes, I understand what you're saying, and my attitude is pretty similar. In fact, I buy any decent one I see, provided I can afford it. I've only got two old ones though, they're probably early 20th century, maybe late 19th century, they both weigh a ton, they cost me small fortune to buy, and another to get home to Australia, but they are the only truly old, good ones I've ever seen for sale.

2nd October 2015, 05:20 AM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,297	So i guess i'm a little slow even though i posted the link. I just have to say that considering Cynthia's mining of this forum for information as well as the visual contribution made by various EAAF members, she really dissed us not making any mention of the forum in her opening acknowledgment.

2nd October 2015, 05:48 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,228	Yeah, it could be read as disrespect, but being the kind hearted person I am, I'd prefer to read it as marketing: the way in which she presented her attributions gives the impression of long and diligent research, much more impressive to the people who would evaluate the paper than attaching the attributions to an internet Forum.

2nd October 2015, 03:42 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,429	I would guess that: 'I got it off the Web' is probably the kiss of death to papers such as this .

2nd October 2015, 04:03 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,297	Sorry, she acknowledged her "friends and family". She could have very easily added "and my friends at EAAF" without giving much away on that front.

2nd October 2015, 11:01 PM	#7
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,238	Thank you Alan for posting this academic paper. I like figure 2 ;-). Pretty weird to see that I am a Australian collector. I agree that referring to the forum would have been a nice gesture, but would on the other hand indeed be "the kiss of death" and bring the thesis back to a high school project level. I am surprised to see 2 estatically very very poor statues in this paper with full credits and including a link to the website of a commercial trader. But otherwise, I am very happy to see this new thread combining this thesis with other interesting threads, indeed showing a lot of very fine examples. Thank you Alan and David. Best regards, Willem