Flanged Mace for comment

[CSinTX]

Some examples-

http://www.hermann-historica-archiv....db=kat56_p.txt

http://www.hermann-historica-archiv....db=kat56_p.txt

The small holes on the flanges of yours are a little concerning. I can't recall seeing those in an original piece but I could be wrong.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by CSinTX

Some examples-

http://www.hermann-historica-archiv....db=kat56_p.txt

http://www.hermann-historica-archiv....db=kat56_p.txt

The small holes on the flanges of yours are a little concerning. I can't recall seeing those in an original piece but I could be wrong.

Salaams CSinTX, Spot on Sir !

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi

[Valjhun]

Hello,

Thank you for your replies.

The mace weights a little less than 2kg.

The flanges are attached correctly, each inserted to its individual slot.
The reiforced points are also attached individually

No lenghtwise seam visible on the haft, there is some copper soldering visible at the pommel.

The mace is incredibly similar to the one from HH, postet above.

[cornelistromp]

hello,

The weight of the mace is too heavy, which should have a maximum of around 1.2 kg and most are lighter than 1 kg.


the shaft of this type is hollow/tubular and formed by rolling or hammering a flat section of metal around a cylindrical former, so there must be a seam at the shaft along the length direction!

The flanges of the macehead of this type must be fitted in slots cutted in the shaft, from the top down through the metal, and are fixed with copper solder.

Iam sorry but regarding to the weight and the lack of a longitudinal seam.
I think it is a subsequent reproduction, 19th or 20thC.

best regards
Jasper

[Roland_M]

Hello Jasper,

I am very sorry to correct you, but the average weight of a european flanged mace is around 1.5 kg and more.
The mace must be so heavy, because the mace is originally intended for penetrate or at least pressing dents in a plate armour. The thickness of a tempered european plate armour is between 1.5 an 2 mm.

A battlefield mace with a weight of less than 1.2 kg would be too lightweight against plate armour.


Best regards Roland

[cornelistromp]

Originally Posted by Roland_M

Hello Jasper,

I am very sorry to correct you, but the average weight of a european flanged mace is around 1.5 kg and more.
The mace must be so heavy, because the mace is originally intended for penetrate or at least pressing dents in a plate armour. The thickness of a tempered european plate armour is between 1.5 an 2 mm.

A battlefield mace with a weight of less than 1.2 kg would be too lightweight against plate armour.


Best regards Roland

Hi Roland,

you may correct me, but it must of course be supported in order to convince me.
1.5 kg average and more you have mentioned is not correct,
where did you find this digit?

Clive Thomas has written a wonderful article on maces in park lane arms and armor fair cataloque of 2014. I've also spoken to Clive about the weights of the different maces, because what he found was much lighter then we both expected.

Quote Clive page 21 "In General it could be said that the solid shafted examples are about 52.5 cm in avarage overall length and weigh around 1,050kg, whilst the tubular types are approximately 50cm and 560g, respectively" unquote

the type under discussion is oakeshott M2 and/or Clive Thomas B2
this type was usually larger around 60cm+ and heavier then the earlier ones
but will average not go over the maximum weight found of 1.2-1.3 KG
some examples from the article.


best,

[fernando]

I know nothing of these things but ...

Don't in any case, besides the number of flanges, the length of the shaft and or that of the entire mace have great influence in the weight variation ?

A few examples in the Wallace collection read:

A982 - seven flanges - total length 63.5 cms. - weight 1.470 Kg.
A983 - seven flanges - total length 60.4 cms. - weight 1.260 Kg.
A984 - seven flanges - total length 63.5 cms. - weight 1.540 Kg.
A985 - eigth flanges - haft length 45 cms. - weight 1.860 Kg.

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