American Horsemans or British Dragoon sword?

Will M · 23rd February 2015, 04:23 AM

Amazingly the pictures are still online for the Guthman sale

http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/1462...0&w0=list&m0=0

I see if the sword is connected to a maker than there is a good premium on it.

3 bar hilts seem to be quite rare in this period

Hotspur · 23rd February 2015, 06:58 AM

Yup, I have had the Guthman catalog bookmarked the months leading up to it. IIRC, it was a two day affair and bidding was vigorous.

The Heritage Auction pages are there forever as well.

Cheers

GC

Will M · 25th February 2015, 05:02 PM

I have heard from someone who has seen the 200+ swords in the Royal Armouries years ago and all have straight blades with a narrow and a wide fuller.
The sword does appear to be American made, to myself anyways.
The Wyatt in Philadelphia may well be the maker and there is the oldest mounted unit the First Troop of Philadelphia and others that were near by at the time the sword was made.
Not finding another example makes the sword rare but more difficult to place exactly.
Existing regiments tend not to have examples of their own troopers swords.

Will M · 25th February 2015, 05:23 PM

Looking at the point the back edge is curved, bevelled/sharpened and 3" long.
I put the blade edge parallel from ricasso with the wood joint so the amount of curvature can be seen. Blade is straight for about 6" then starts its curvature.
The last 12" or so has the most curvature.Point tip to bottom is 3 1/4" from blade edge at ricasso.
Can also see that the blade swells towards the clipped point.

23rd February 2015, 04:23 AM	#1
Will M Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: In the wee woods north of Napanee Ontario Posts: 406	Amazingly the pictures are still online for the Guthman sale http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/1462...0&w0=list&m0=0 I see if the sword is connected to a maker than there is a good premium on it. 3 bar hilts seem to be quite rare in this period Last edited by Will M; 23rd February 2015 at 04:37 AM.

25th February 2015, 05:23 PM	#4
Will M Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: In the wee woods north of Napanee Ontario Posts: 406	Looking at the point the back edge is curved, bevelled/sharpened and 3" long. I put the blade edge parallel from ricasso with the wood joint so the amount of curvature can be seen. Blade is straight for about 6" then starts its curvature. The last 12" or so has the most curvature.Point tip to bottom is 3 1/4" from blade edge at ricasso. Can also see that the blade swells towards the clipped point. Attached Images Last edited by Will M; 25th February 2015 at 05:34 PM.

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23rd February 2015, 06:58 AM	#2
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 535	Yup, I have had the Guthman catalog bookmarked the months leading up to it. IIRC, it was a two day affair and bidding was vigorous. The Heritage Auction pages are there forever as well. Cheers GC

25th February 2015, 05:02 PM	#3
Will M Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: In the wee woods north of Napanee Ontario Posts: 406	I have heard from someone who has seen the 200+ swords in the Royal Armouries years ago and all have straight blades with a narrow and a wide fuller. The sword does appear to be American made, to myself anyways. The Wyatt in Philadelphia may well be the maker and there is the oldest mounted unit the First Troop of Philadelphia and others that were near by at the time the sword was made. Not finding another example makes the sword rare but more difficult to place exactly. Existing regiments tend not to have examples of their own troopers swords.