A highly important tiller gun from the Montjuic castle 1430s

Marcus den toom · 10th October 2014, 11:01 AM

And more

Marcus den toom · 10th October 2014, 11:03 AM

See how this proud Dutchman stands... well what did you expect me to be like

heheh

I also made a holder for my clodshot piece which should, most likely, represent the correct kind of ammunition used for this type of gun.

Marcus den toom · 10th October 2014, 11:06 AM

On to the illustrative sources.

Attachment 1: The Siege of Mortagne, from the Chronique d’Angleterre, produced in Bruges, late 15th century.( http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/illumina...&NStart=140504)

Attachment 2: Croniques abregies commençans au temps de Herode (http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv...de%20Bourgogne)

Attachment 3: Stundenbuch Maria v. Burgund ~1470, fol.47v. 2 kl

Attachment 4: Alter stich 013 geschichte 1475 die altesten handbuechsen aus rudimentum noviciorum luebeck brandis

Attachment 5: Martin le Franc (c. 1410 – 1461): Le Champion des Dames. Flandres 1442. Bibliothèque royale de Belgique, Bruxelles 9466, Fol. 4r

Marcus den toom · 10th October 2014, 11:08 AM

Attachement 1: Quinte curce 1468 page 17 book guns and gunsmiths (http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/illumina...=18&NStart=169)

Attachement 2: /

Attachement 3: /

Attachement 4: Siege of montargis

Attachement 5: Siege of Jericho 1445 MA 104 NYPL

Marcus den toom · 10th October 2014, 11:09 AM

A two handed tiller gun with second soldier igniting. Can’t find the source on this on, it came from Pinterest but I can’t find the source.

edit: found something by using the new function on google!!! "search on google for this pictures "
http://dead.octanum.info/obrazki/woj...ar/m337_47.JPG

fernando · 10th October 2014, 01:46 PM

This is not fair

The correct owner for this gonne would undoubtedly be me

What a great acquisition

.

cornelistromp · 10th October 2014, 03:01 PM

amazingly beautiful and rare piece, especially with the original pole.
congratulations on this sublime acquisition

best,
Jasper

Raf · 10th October 2014, 03:06 PM

Hi Marcus
Ive often wondered why these early guns seem to have quite large touch holes and not much in the way of a priming pan. In The Complete Gunner (1672 ) in the section on artificial fireworks there are a lot of references to quills packed with compressed powder for various pyrotechnic effects. So is it possible that ready prepared quills were used as priming fuzes ? In which case the soldier in your above illustration may not be about to give fire to the gun , but may as it appears be inserting something into the touch hole . Just an observation...

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10th October 2014, 11:01 AM	#1
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 542	And more

10th October 2014, 11:03 AM	#2
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 542	See how this proud Dutchman stands... well what did you expect me to be like heheh I also made a holder for my clodshot piece which should, most likely, represent the correct kind of ammunition used for this type of gun.

10th October 2014, 11:06 AM	#3
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 542	On to the illustrative sources. Attachment 1: The Siege of Mortagne, from the Chronique d’Angleterre, produced in Bruges, late 15th century.( http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/illumina...&NStart=140504) Attachment 2: Croniques abregies commençans au temps de Herode (http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv...de%20Bourgogne) Attachment 3: Stundenbuch Maria v. Burgund ~1470, fol.47v. 2 kl Attachment 4: Alter stich 013 geschichte 1475 die altesten handbuechsen aus rudimentum noviciorum luebeck brandis Attachment 5: Martin le Franc (c. 1410 – 1461): Le Champion des Dames. Flandres 1442. Bibliothèque royale de Belgique, Bruxelles 9466, Fol. 4r

10th October 2014, 11:08 AM	#4
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 542	Attachement 1: Quinte curce 1468 page 17 book guns and gunsmiths (http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/illumina...=18&NStart=169) Attachement 2: / Attachement 3: / Attachement 4: Siege of montargis Attachement 5: Siege of Jericho 1445 MA 104 NYPL

10th October 2014, 11:09 AM	#5
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 542	A two handed tiller gun with second soldier igniting. Can’t find the source on this on, it came from Pinterest but I can’t find the source. edit: found something by using the new function on google!!! "search on google for this pictures " http://dead.octanum.info/obrazki/woj...ar/m337_47.JPG

10th October 2014, 03:01 PM	#7
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,064	amazingly beautiful and rare piece, especially with the original pole. congratulations on this sublime acquisition best, Jasper

10th October 2014, 03:06 PM	#8
Raf Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 252	Hi Marcus Ive often wondered why these early guns seem to have quite large touch holes and not much in the way of a priming pan. In The Complete Gunner (1672 ) in the section on artificial fireworks there are a lot of references to quills packed with compressed powder for various pyrotechnic effects. So is it possible that ready prepared quills were used as priming fuzes ? In which case the soldier in your above illustration may not be about to give fire to the gun , but may as it appears be inserting something into the touch hole . Just an observation...