Hunting Sword no1

Norman McCormick · 10th June 2014, 04:44 PM

Hi,
Another sword French C1740, the sword belongs to a member over on S.F.I. and I do hope he doesn't mind me using his photos.
Regards,
Norman.

P.S. Sorry Jim another spanner in the works etc etc.

Norman McCormick · 10th June 2014, 04:49 PM

Hi Ibrahiim,
I didn't post a link to the specific commercial site as I believe it is against Forum Policy but many thanks for your interest in this discussion.

I'm at a bit of a loss though to make out the Arabic script you mention in your post.
My Regards,
Norman.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 10th June 2014, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

Hi Ibrahiim,
I didn't post a link to the specific commercial site as I believe it is against Forum Policy but many thanks for your interest in this discussion.

I'm at a bit of a loss though to make out the Arabic script you mention in your post.
My Regards,
Norman.

Salaams Norman, I have no problem inserting web sites provided it is logged as such and for research...clearly not associated to some purchase..thus allowed. On the Arabic I am wrong... Its funny but I switched it on just now and it is clearly a fleur de lys stamp whereas yesterday I swear I was seeing a peculiar "God is Great" stamp... I put it down to the heat (about 50 degrees yesterday !) Apologies for that.

Anyway on the website there are a couple of swords and the fleur de lys appears to be from the Scottish ... would this be because of the Franco/ Scottish allegiance at the time?

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Norman McCormick · 10th June 2014, 05:48 PM

Hi Ibrahiim,
No apology necessary, as my name suggests I'm a 'Man of the North' and any more than 25 Deg C and I'm 'oot the game' 50 Deg C and my mind wouldn't be capable of any rational thought never mind i.d'ing a stamp in a blurry photo. I really don't think the fleur de lys stamp has anything specifically to do with the Auld Alliance and any possible association is coincidental. Thanks once again for your interest.
My Regards,
Norman.

P.S. Congratulations on your 2000th post

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 10th June 2014, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

Hi Ibrahiim,
No apology necessary, as my name suggests I'm a 'Man of the North' and any more than 25 Deg C and I'm 'oot the game' 50 Deg C and my mind wouldn't be capable of any rational thought never mind i.d'ing a stamp in a blurry photo. I really don't think the fleur de lys stamp has anything specifically to do with the Auld Alliance and any possible association is coincidental. Thanks once again for your interest.
My Regards,
Norman.

P.S. Congratulations on your 2000th post

Thanks Norman.. 2000 !! Thats a whole lot of ink !!

Aye! I heard that Scots go blue afore they go brown !!!
This is a fascinating thread and the factors behind the "Trio in Juncta" or "Fleur de Lys" are very interesting and Forum are lucky to have the entire Bookmobile of Jim McDougall in direct support on route 66...

Great thread Norman... Thanks.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Jim McDougall · 11th June 2014, 04:15 AM

Norman and Ibrahiim, thank you for the kind words

!!
I am warned by my wife that any more books in this thing will require much heavier springs!!
My hope is that others will be joining in here quid pro quo....I add whatever I can find in order to share as much as I can and there are so many other references out there I don't have here. That's why I implore others who have them to check them and add their notes.

On the Scot/French situation. While that was of course a well established alliance and the French language was well spoken in Scotland, the deal with these fleur de lis markings on these basket hilt swords I think not really applicable. These were English blades on British dragoon swords which were typically from Birmingham, and there mostly from Germany (though these FDL blades are still undetermined) .
I am beginning to wonder if these fleur de lis blades might have been from St. Etienne? There seem to be a good number found in French mounts, more than I had thought.

M ELEY · 11th June 2014, 04:46 AM

I'm wondering just how far back the fleur-de-lis really goes on English blades?! I've personally seen at least two of the so-called 'doghead' Englsh naval swords (brass cast monster/dog gripped) from the 1680-1710 period with the above stamp! Early Brit naval hanger baldes from this period often had German blades (the King/crown Wundes family marking comes to mind), so still wondeering if these baldes are German-made imports?

10th June 2014, 04:44 PM	#1
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,618	Hi, Another sword French C1740, the sword belongs to a member over on S.F.I. and I do hope he doesn't mind me using his photos. Regards, Norman. P.S. Sorry Jim another spanner in the works etc etc. Attached Images

10th June 2014, 05:48 PM	#4
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,618	Hi Ibrahiim, No apology necessary, as my name suggests I'm a 'Man of the North' and any more than 25 Deg C and I'm 'oot the game' 50 Deg C and my mind wouldn't be capable of any rational thought never mind i.d'ing a stamp in a blurry photo. I really don't think the fleur de lys stamp has anything specifically to do with the Auld Alliance and any possible association is coincidental. Thanks once again for your interest. My Regards, Norman. P.S. Congratulations on your 2000th post Last edited by Norman McCormick; 10th June 2014 at 06:10 PM.

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10th June 2014, 04:49 PM	#2
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,618	Hi Ibrahiim, I didn't post a link to the specific commercial site as I believe it is against Forum Policy but many thanks for your interest in this discussion. I'm at a bit of a loss though to make out the Arabic script you mention in your post. My Regards, Norman.

11th June 2014, 04:15 AM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	Norman and Ibrahiim, thank you for the kind words !! I am warned by my wife that any more books in this thing will require much heavier springs!! My hope is that others will be joining in here quid pro quo....I add whatever I can find in order to share as much as I can and there are so many other references out there I don't have here. That's why I implore others who have them to check them and add their notes. On the Scot/French situation. While that was of course a well established alliance and the French language was well spoken in Scotland, the deal with these fleur de lis markings on these basket hilt swords I think not really applicable. These were English blades on British dragoon swords which were typically from Birmingham, and there mostly from Germany (though these FDL blades are still undetermined) . I am beginning to wonder if these fleur de lis blades might have been from St. Etienne? There seem to be a good number found in French mounts, more than I had thought.

11th June 2014, 04:46 AM	#7
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,158	I'm wondering just how far back the fleur-de-lis really goes on English blades?! I've personally seen at least two of the so-called 'doghead' Englsh naval swords (brass cast monster/dog gripped) from the 1680-1710 period with the above stamp! Early Brit naval hanger baldes from this period often had German blades (the King/crown Wundes family marking comes to mind), so still wondeering if these baldes are German-made imports?