Help Identifying a Kindjal/Qama Type and Its Origin

TVV · 4th March 2014, 05:44 PM

Lovely kindjal! Based on previous forum discussions and on Kiril Rivkin's and Oliver Pinchot's latest books on Caucasian arms, I believe this is from Western Georgia, Adjara and the region around Trabzon. There have been some claims about a Shapsug origin of the form, but most examples seem to date post the Russian-Circassian war.

I am sure Ariel, who knows more about these than me, will have some comments as soon as he sees the thread. I remember seeing pictures of Greek (Laz) guerilla fighters from the early 20th century wearing similar daggers, but cannot find them right now.

Regards,
Teodor

ALEX · 5th March 2014, 01:59 PM

Nice qama! It certainly has some Caucasian look, but I think it is Ottoman/Turkish, based on niello decorations. Does chape have checkered Van-style motive?

ALEX · 5th March 2014, 04:51 PM

Charles, it's hard to see the handle details, but from far it looks like buffalo horn to me. It'd be quite unusual for the handle of such size and shape to be of rhino horn, and it'll make this qama extremely valuable!!!!!

CharlesS · 5th March 2014, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ALEX

Charles, it's hard to see the handle details, but from far it looks like buffalo horn to me. It'd be quite unusual for the handle of such size and shape to be of rhino horn, and it'll make this qama extremely valuable!!!!!

Alex,

Several others have said it's not rhino. I suspected that it was because it's got that fiberous look of rhino and it's sticky to the touch when wet.

CharlesS · 5th March 2014, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ALEX

Nice qama! It certainly has some Caucasian look, but I think it is Ottoman/Turkish, based on niello decorations. Does chape have checkered Van-style motive?

Yes Alex, the chape shows a checkered motif.

ALEX · 5th March 2014, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlesS

Yes Alex, the chape shows a checkered motif.

Charles, see this POST. The last 2 pictures show a typical silver case from Van, Turkey, and Turkish scabbard (likely also made in Van). The checkered pattern is their trademark. The silver niello decoration reminds me of yours, this is why I thought it is more Turkish than Caucasian.
Interesting what Ariel, Kirill and others will think.

CharlesS · 5th March 2014, 05:51 PM

Alex, thanks for so much great input. I also noticed the "wheel" motif in that post you suggested and it is very prevalent on the qama fittings.

CharlesS · 5th March 2014, 06:28 PM

Based on another forum member's input, the Islamic date converts to 1906 on the Gregorian calendar.

ALEX · 5th March 2014, 07:26 PM

The year is 1326 A.H. = 1908 A.D. (depending on calculation system used).
The wheel is a "wheel of life" - quite predominant element in Islamic art.

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4th March 2014, 05:44 PM	#1
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,664	Lovely kindjal! Based on previous forum discussions and on Kiril Rivkin's and Oliver Pinchot's latest books on Caucasian arms, I believe this is from Western Georgia, Adjara and the region around Trabzon. There have been some claims about a Shapsug origin of the form, but most examples seem to date post the Russian-Circassian war. I am sure Ariel, who knows more about these than me, will have some comments as soon as he sees the thread. I remember seeing pictures of Greek (Laz) guerilla fighters from the early 20th century wearing similar daggers, but cannot find them right now. Regards, Teodor

5th March 2014, 01:59 PM	#2
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Nice qama! It certainly has some Caucasian look, but I think it is Ottoman/Turkish, based on niello decorations. Does chape have checkered Van-style motive?

5th March 2014, 04:51 PM	#3
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Charles, it's hard to see the handle details, but from far it looks like buffalo horn to me. It'd be quite unusual for the handle of such size and shape to be of rhino horn, and it'll make this qama extremely valuable!!!!!

5th March 2014, 05:51 PM	#7
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Alex, thanks for so much great input. I also noticed the "wheel" motif in that post you suggested and it is very prevalent on the qama fittings.

5th March 2014, 06:28 PM	#8
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Based on another forum member's input, the Islamic date converts to 1906 on the Gregorian calendar.

5th March 2014, 07:26 PM	#9
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	The year is 1326 A.H. = 1908 A.D. (depending on calculation system used). The wheel is a "wheel of life" - quite predominant element in Islamic art.