Wavy dagger from Philippines

carlos · 24th September 2013, 07:40 PM

This item, just finished in EBay, the seller didn,t know the origin f the piece but to me seems a piece from Philippines. The full length is 12 inches and the blade itself is 7" in length.
The pictures ar3e from seller.
Any comments are wellcome
best regards

carlos

I´m trying to insert pictures directly but I can,t, so I write link to ebay
http://www.ebay.es/itm/251341436121?...84.m1497.l2649

David · 24th September 2013, 09:59 PM

The images just needed to be resized to upload Carlos.

Never seen anything quite like it, but the wood carvings look SEA. That cross piece/guard doesn't look particularly Filipino, but it also doesn't look original to the piece since it appears to narrow where it meets the blade. Many of the elements seem a bit European, so perhaps a Spanish blade made in the Philippines?

carlos · 24th September 2013, 10:06 PM

Thanks David !!
My knowledge of computers are very low

The carvings in hilt remember me another philippino pieces.
Thanks
Carlos

David · 24th September 2013, 10:57 PM

Yes, i agree, the vegetal carvings in the wood are very SEA, but the all the metal fittings smack of European influence.

Battara · 25th September 2013, 01:55 AM

Well this piece I feel is Filipino. This type of wavy blade indicates an Ilocano origin to me. It therefore would not surprise me at all that there would be Spanish influence in it. Not only common but expected.

Also the scabbard being horn and carved in this fashion indicate Luzon Island, where the Ilocanos live.

Obviously someone wealthy owned this due to the quality of workmanship and the silver work involved. I hope whoever got this will post here.

David · 25th September 2013, 05:53 AM

Thanks José, so it's horn then...i didn't read the auction description...

carlos · 25th September 2013, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Well this piece I feel is Filipino. This type of wavy blade indicates an Ilocano origin to me. It therefore would not surprise me at all that there would be Spanish influence in it. Not only common but expected.

Also the scabbard being horn and carved in this fashion indicate Luzon Island, where the Ilocanos live.

Obviously someone wealthy owned this due to the quality of workmanship and the silver work involved. I hope whoever got this will post here.

Thank you very much !! Yor information is very valous to me.
I promise when I received dagger put more pictures.
Thanks again

Carlos

Ah Thank you very much too to the rest of people have comment, all comments are wellcome

carlos · 29th October 2013, 11:37 AM

Hello again
The last week I received dagger andf I´m very happy with this new piece, I wish enjoy pictures.
Best regards
carlos

Sajen · 29th October 2013, 01:38 PM

Hi Carlos,

a real beauty!

Please show it side by side with the other one!

Regards,

Detlef

carlos · 29th October 2013, 02:44 PM

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10062
I have posted the comparison here because the first post was in the european forum
Thanks
Carlos

Sajen · 29th October 2013, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlos

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10062
I have posted the comparison here because the first post was in the european forum
Thanks
Carlos

Thank you for the link!

David · 29th October 2013, 05:57 PM

Well the one beside it does not have the SEA flairs that show in this smaller dagger, that is the wonderful vegetal carvings on the sheath and hilt. I wouldn't have placed the larger blade in the region of the Philippines viewing it on its own. Placed together though these two daggers seem to almost undeniably be of the same origin. That begs the question, is the larger dagger from the Philippines and simply lacking any motifs from the area or is the smaller dagger actually European with some exotic SEA flair added for interest. I frankly don't know the answer and for me the origins of both these blades is still up in the air.

24th September 2013, 07:40 PM	#1
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 755	Wavy dagger from Philippines This item, just finished in EBay, the seller didn,t know the origin f the piece but to me seems a piece from Philippines. The full length is 12 inches and the blade itself is 7" in length. The pictures ar3e from seller. Any comments are wellcome best regards carlos I´m trying to insert pictures directly but I can,t, so I write link to ebay http://www.ebay.es/itm/251341436121?...84.m1497.l2649

24th September 2013, 09:59 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	The images just needed to be resized to upload Carlos. Never seen anything quite like it, but the wood carvings look SEA. That cross piece/guard doesn't look particularly Filipino, but it also doesn't look original to the piece since it appears to narrow where it meets the blade. Many of the elements seem a bit European, so perhaps a Spanish blade made in the Philippines? Attached Images

29th October 2013, 11:37 AM	#8
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 755	Hello again The last week I received dagger andf I´m very happy with this new piece, I wish enjoy pictures. Best regards carlos Attached Images

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24th September 2013, 10:06 PM	#3
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 755	Thanks David !! My knowledge of computers are very low The carvings in hilt remember me another philippino pieces. Thanks Carlos

24th September 2013, 10:57 PM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	Yes, i agree, the vegetal carvings in the wood are very SEA, but the all the metal fittings smack of European influence.

25th September 2013, 01:55 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	Well this piece I feel is Filipino. This type of wavy blade indicates an Ilocano origin to me. It therefore would not surprise me at all that there would be Spanish influence in it. Not only common but expected. Also the scabbard being horn and carved in this fashion indicate Luzon Island, where the Ilocanos live. Obviously someone wealthy owned this due to the quality of workmanship and the silver work involved. I hope whoever got this will post here.

25th September 2013, 05:53 AM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	Thanks José, so it's horn then...i didn't read the auction description...

29th October 2013, 01:38 PM	#9
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,415	Hi Carlos, a real beauty! Please show it side by side with the other one! Regards, Detlef

29th October 2013, 02:44 PM	#10
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 755	http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10062 I have posted the comparison here because the first post was in the european forum Thanks Carlos

29th October 2013, 05:57 PM	#12
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	Well the one beside it does not have the SEA flairs that show in this smaller dagger, that is the wonderful vegetal carvings on the sheath and hilt. I wouldn't have placed the larger blade in the region of the Philippines viewing it on its own. Placed together though these two daggers seem to almost undeniably be of the same origin. That begs the question, is the larger dagger from the Philippines and simply lacking any motifs from the area or is the smaller dagger actually European with some exotic SEA flair added for interest. I frankly don't know the answer and for me the origins of both these blades is still up in the air.