Balinese/Lombok pedang

kai · 9th July 2013, 01:45 PM

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I have had such a pedang with inlays as well (it's long time sold already), when i have bought it I was sure that the inlays are old, later I get doubts but frankly said the inlays weren't fine like by your example.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10561
Here's the link to Detlef's sword; from the pics, the inlay looks recent to me.

Regards,
Kai

Sajen · 9th July 2013, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kai

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10561
Here's the link to Detlef's sword; from the pics, the inlay looks recent to me.

Regards,
Kai

Exactly this one was meant, have forgotten that I have posted pictures at this place. Agree, the inlays look recent to me as well.

Regards,

Detlef

VVV · 9th July 2013, 09:55 PM

Kai,

Your pedang has a djadwal (a talismanic table) and not Qur'anic quotes.
Have you posted it before on this forum?
If not, maybe you can start a thread about it?
Maybe it has other Banjar characteristics, too?

Michael

kai · 9th July 2013, 11:53 PM

Hello Michael,

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Your pedang has a djadwal (a talismanic table) and not Qur'anic quotes.

Yup, that's the reason why I feel more comfortable about it being genuine.

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Have you posted it before on this forum?
If not, maybe you can start a thread about it?

Not yet - will get some more pics and post them.

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Maybe it has other Banjar characteristics, too?

This one doesn't seem to have any obvious Banjar characteristics AFAIK. Am looking forward to more comments from you on this pedang!

Regards,
Kai

Maurice · 11th July 2013, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kai

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10561
Here's the link to Detlef's sword; from the pics, the inlay looks recent to me.

Indeed a very different quality of inlay...

asomotif · 11th July 2013, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Maurice

Indeed a very different quality of inlay...

Detlef's example in the swap looks more like koftgari work imho.

Jentayu · 13th July 2013, 01:30 AM

The verse in question was from Quran chapter 27 verse 30. It relates to the story of King Solomon. The translation reads as follows:

"Indeed, it is from Solomon, and indeed it reads, "In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Compassionate".

Believed this is the only chapter in the holy Quran that does not start with Basmallah as the verse was mentioned within its chapter itself.

Jentayu · 13th July 2013, 01:38 AM

The verse relates to the story of King Solomon writing a letter to Balqis, Queen of Sheba extending her to the worship of one true God. Not a typical story that you would probably find in the old testament, I must say.

A.alnakkas · 13th July 2013, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jentayu

The verse relates to the story of King Solomon writing a letter to Balqis, Queen of Sheba extending her to the worship of one true God. Not a typical story that you would probably find in the old testament, I must say.

except the script on the sword is full of repitition of the bassmallah and I cannot find any verse in it :-)

VVV · 13th July 2013, 09:58 AM

Jentayu, thanks for your translation.
However, I almost spilled out my morning coffee when I read your comment about the Basmallah.
I think you mixed it up. It is the 9th surah, At-Tawbah, that is the only sura not starting with Basmallah. Among "some esoteric Muslims" this complete surah has strong protective qualities.
The 27th is the only surah where Basmallah is also within the surah.
Probably this exception also makes this specific verse strongly protective and talismanic, too.
Basmallah, by itself, has of course very strong protective qualities, too.

Michael

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9th July 2013, 09:55 PM	#3
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Kai, Your pedang has a djadwal (a talismanic table) and not Qur'anic quotes. Have you posted it before on this forum? If not, maybe you can start a thread about it? Maybe it has other Banjar characteristics, too? Michael

13th July 2013, 01:30 AM	#7
Jentayu Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 63	The verse in question was from Quran chapter 27 verse 30. It relates to the story of King Solomon. The translation reads as follows: "Indeed, it is from Solomon, and indeed it reads, "In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Compassionate". Believed this is the only chapter in the holy Quran that does not start with Basmallah as the verse was mentioned within its chapter itself.

13th July 2013, 01:38 AM	#8
Jentayu Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 63	The verse relates to the story of King Solomon writing a letter to Balqis, Queen of Sheba extending her to the worship of one true God. Not a typical story that you would probably find in the old testament, I must say.

13th July 2013, 09:58 AM	#10
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Jentayu, thanks for your translation. However, I almost spilled out my morning coffee when I read your comment about the Basmallah. I think you mixed it up. It is the 9th surah, At-Tawbah, that is the only sura not starting with Basmallah. Among "some esoteric Muslims" this complete surah has strong protective qualities. The 27th is the only surah where Basmallah is also within the surah. Probably this exception also makes this specific verse strongly protective and talismanic, too. Basmallah, by itself, has of course very strong protective qualities, too. Michael