Sinhala / Sri Lankan Swords?

Gavin Nugent · 6th October 2012, 04:01 PM

An image of the Kastane in native context with a baldric suspension a video of an outstanding example.....subtitled for those who don't understand "American"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH__TFpU2SA

Gav

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 6th October 2012, 04:37 PM

Salaams All ~

The Kandyan Dynasty which was never brought to heel by the invaders neither Portuguese nor Dutch but which eventually fell to British control in 1805. There were treaties cleverly enacted by the Kandyan rulers prior to that but no takeover and no control "per se". The Kanyan kingdom comprised most of the eastern three quarters of the entire country.

In parallel the Karava dynasty, the fighting caste…was split in half; allegiance being half for and half against the Portuguese invaders.

A 19th century representation of the Karava Makara Flag. The image of the mythical creature Makara is extensively used in ancient Sri Lankan royal architecture. This flag is one of the main flags still used by the Karavas at their ceremonies. The Mukkara Hatana, an ola leaf manuscript now in the British Museum states that King Parakramabahu IV granted it to the Karavas.
Parakrama Bahu IV , came to the throne in the Saka year 1247 or A.D. 1325/6. More than 3 centuries before Portuguese involvement.

Karava (pronounced Karaava) also Karawa, Karawe, Karave, Kaurava, Kshatriya, Khatriya, Kuru, Kuru Kula, Kurukulam, Kurukulum, Kurukulather or Kurukulathar is the traditional military (warrior / Kshatriya / royal ) race, of Sri Lanka. The Karavas were one of the interconnected ruling dynasties of the Indian region. Royal succession in Sri Lanka passed on to Karava rulers during the Polonnaruwa period. Karava king Gajabahu was one of the greatest, and the Kandy Perehera and other annual pageants of Sri Lanka that end with the water cutting ceremony were initially pageants in honour of king Gajabahu's victories . The many kingdoms of Sri Lanka were thereafter ruled by Karava Kings and sub-kings until the last three kingdoms passed over from Karava royal families to Europeans; Kotte and Jaffna in the 16th century to the Portuguese and Kandy in the 19th century to the British (see Timeline of Kings)

True to their royal ancestry, the Karavas are the only Sri Lankan community to bear ancestral family names that signify royal ancestry, possess an array of ancient flags and use royal insignia at family ceremonies.

The fortunes of the Karava community has seen ups and downs over the centuries dependent on the fortunes of the leading Karava royal families and their victories, defeats and alliances with South Indian royal dynasties. European colonisation ended all native dynasties and rulers of the region and was therefore disastrous for the Karavas as well as the Kshatriya Rajputs of India. (seeTimeline of the Karava I) The post-independence period too has been particularly disastrous for the Karavas. Whatever lost wealth and power the Karavas had regained during the British period was taken away from the Karavas by Govigama dominated post-independence governments of Sri Lanka and Sri Lanka government sponsored propaganda during the 1900s has attempted to falsely portray the Karawas as the "Fisherfolk Caste" of Sri Lanka!!

As the Karavas were the traditional martial race of Sri Lanka it is not surprising to find one of their symbols, the Makara, used as ornamentation on traditional swords. Such swords are unique to Sri Lanka and not found either in India or the Malay peninsular. Compare the similarity of the Makara on the water spout with the decorative hilts on the Kastane on my post above.

I believe that whilst this does not herald "game set and match" it goes some way to supporting my theory that the Kastane is a Sri Lankan invention moreover that it may have originated in the Karava dynasty " The Fighting Caste".

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

tribalarms · 8th October 2012, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebooter

An image of the Kastane in native context with a baldric suspension a video of an outstanding example.....subtitled for those who don't understand "American"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH__TFpU2SA

Gav

It appears as the fine example in the video was offered on Ebay only weeks ago.

As it did not sell, I'm not sure if it would be correct to post a link to the Ebay auction or include images as it might be relisted?

VANDOO · 8th October 2012, 02:13 PM

AS I KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT ALL THIS I MAY ASK A SILLY QUESTION. PERHAPS THE LION MENTIONED IS ACTUALLY THE BARONG WHICH IS A LION LIKE BEING REPRESENTING GOOD AGAINST RAGDA THE EVIL WITCH IN BALI. WAS THE BARONG PRESENT IN CEYLON AND INDIA IN ANCIENT TIMES?

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 8th October 2012, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

AS I KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT ALL THIS I MAY ASK A SILLY QUESTION. PERHAPS THE LION MENTIONED IS ACTUALLY THE BARONG WHICH IS A LION LIKE BEING REPRESENTING GOOD AGAINST RAGDA THE EVIL WITCH IN BALI. WAS THE BARONG PRESENT IN CEYLON AND INDIA IN ANCIENT TIMES?

Salaams Vandoo Amazing ... Where did you find the photo of my ex Mother in Law?
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 8th October 2012, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tribalarms

It appears as the fine example in the video was offered on Ebay only weeks ago.

As it did not sell, I'm not sure if it would be correct to post a link to the Ebay auction or include images as it might be relisted?

Salaams tribalarms ! Well it was listed as sold or gone to lunch or... anyway I was told it was purchased by the Sri Lankan National Museum...and anyway its a film. And a very knowledgeable and informative bit of kit indeed for our esteemed library... its a must see... A pictures worth a thousand words but a film... must be worth a lot more ! See that Makara Hilt !!
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 8th October 2012, 08:41 PM

Salaams

~ Anybody out there??? Hello ~ Calling all Lurkers....hello

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi

fernando · 9th October 2012, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tribalarms

... As it did not sell, I'm not sure if it would be correct to post a link to the Ebay auction or include images as it might be relisted?

Yes, it is wise not to include them.

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Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Salaams All ~ The Kandyan Dynasty which was never brought to heel by the invaders neither Portuguese nor Dutch but which eventually fell to British control in 1805. There were treaties cleverly enacted by the Kandyan rulers prior to that but no takeover and no control "per se". The Kanyan kingdom comprised most of the eastern three quarters of the entire country. In parallel the Karava dynasty, the fighting caste…was split in half; allegiance being half for and half against the Portuguese invaders. A 19th century representation of the Karava Makara Flag. The image of the mythical creature Makara is extensively used in ancient Sri Lankan royal architecture. This flag is one of the main flags still used by the Karavas at their ceremonies. The Mukkara Hatana, an ola leaf manuscript now in the British Museum states that King Parakramabahu IV granted it to the Karavas. Parakrama Bahu IV , came to the throne in the Saka year 1247 or A.D. 1325/6. More than 3 centuries before Portuguese involvement. Karava (pronounced Karaava) also Karawa, Karawe, Karave, Kaurava, Kshatriya, Khatriya, Kuru, Kuru Kula, Kurukulam, Kurukulum, Kurukulather or Kurukulathar is the traditional military (warrior / Kshatriya / royal ) race, of Sri Lanka. The Karavas were one of the interconnected ruling dynasties of the Indian region. Royal succession in Sri Lanka passed on to Karava rulers during the Polonnaruwa period. Karava king Gajabahu was one of the greatest, and the Kandy Perehera and other annual pageants of Sri Lanka that end with the water cutting ceremony were initially pageants in honour of king Gajabahu's victories . The many kingdoms of Sri Lanka were thereafter ruled by Karava Kings and sub-kings until the last three kingdoms passed over from Karava royal families to Europeans; Kotte and Jaffna in the 16th century to the Portuguese and Kandy in the 19th century to the British (see Timeline of Kings) True to their royal ancestry, the Karavas are the only Sri Lankan community to bear ancestral family names that signify royal ancestry, possess an array of ancient flags and use royal insignia at family ceremonies. The fortunes of the Karava community has seen ups and downs over the centuries dependent on the fortunes of the leading Karava royal families and their victories, defeats and alliances with South Indian royal dynasties. European colonisation ended all native dynasties and rulers of the region and was therefore disastrous for the Karavas as well as the Kshatriya Rajputs of India. (seeTimeline of the Karava I) The post-independence period too has been particularly disastrous for the Karavas. Whatever lost wealth and power the Karavas had regained during the British period was taken away from the Karavas by Govigama dominated post-independence governments of Sri Lanka and Sri Lanka government sponsored propaganda during the 1900s has attempted to falsely portray the Karawas as the "Fisherfolk Caste" of Sri Lanka!! As the Karavas were the traditional martial race of Sri Lanka it is not surprising to find one of their symbols, the Makara, used as ornamentation on traditional swords. Such swords are unique to Sri Lanka and not found either in India or the Malay peninsular. Compare the similarity of the Makara on the water spout with the decorative hilts on the Kastane on my post above. I believe that whilst this does not herald "game set and match" it goes some way to supporting my theory that the Kastane is a Sri Lankan invention moreover that it may have originated in the Karava dynasty " The Fighting Caste". Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi.