Another eBay Keris

[dbhmgb]

Originally Posted by Gustav

Blade is a fairly typical South Sumatran one, perhaps one still can see strong West Java influences here. I wouldn't call this blade Bugis.

The sheath form also is South/ towards Central Sumatran. It resembles much the old scabbard style, from which possibly both later Javanese and Bugis forms (and Palembang) were derived. Most probably Minangkabau? Not much is really known about South/Central Sumatran forms, and it seems it will for ever stay so. Similar form is possible also in Northern Peninsula Malay regions.

Most probably the only visualy acceptable way to do some restauration would be to reconstruct the missing lower part of Gandar, and then hide the new material with rattan bindings (there probably still are some signs of old bindings). I think, you can find a recipe how to stain rattan (to look it old) here in the forum.

Thank you Gustav. This is why I love this site.

I said it was Bugis using an uneducated guess - the information you provide here is very enlightening! It seems that this keris has become even more interesting.

I will research the rattan suggestion - thanks again.

Dan

[Sajen]

Hello Dan,

nice Keris, congrats! Agree with Gustav that this keris is maybe from South/Central Sumatra and maybe a Minang keris.
Agree with you that there was a buntut at the end of the sheath. A restauration of the sheath is not easy but possible.

Regards,

Detlef

[Jean]

The hilt is Bugis but it may have been replaced. See a similar wrongko with the typical long neck (the bottom stem was probably replaced).
Regards

[dbhmgb]

Originally Posted by Jean

The hilt is Bugis but it may have been replaced. See a similar wrongko with the typical long neck (the bottom stem was probably replaced).
Regards

Jean,

Yes, remarkably similar. I, too, noticed the difference in the bottom stem and guessed that it had been replaced at one time.

Thanks!

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by dbhmgb

I, too, noticed the difference in the bottom stem and guessed that it had been replaced at one time.

I think Jean speak about the keris he have shown.

[dbhmgb]

Originally Posted by Sajen

I think Jean speak about the keris he have shown.

Oh, okay, I see - but the same is true of the one I have...

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by dbhmgb

Oh, okay, I see - but the same is true of the one I have...

Yes, of course it is a different wood like most of the time but I don't think that it is a replacement.

Regards,

Detlef

[Gustav]

This is how the stem of your sheath most probably looked like, Dan. I also don't think it is a replacement.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Jean

The hilt is Bugis but it may have been replaced.

Sorry Jean, I disagree in this point. Do you have noticed that this hilt haven't a garuda munkur? And I think that these hilts (kerdas/pangulu) wasn't used only by Bugis keris. Look for example to the kris disc from Jensen where you can see some pangulu hilts in various designs in the chapters about Sumatra.

Regards,

Detlef