Before the Ball: Clod Shot of 1375 - the Earliest Lead Gun Ammunition!

fernando · 5th April 2011, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matchlock

You see, 'Nando,

These are not that rare!

Best,
Michl

Oh no, not rare at all. There must be zillions of those out there

.

Matchlock · 5th April 2011, 06:34 PM

There are!

They just need to be found and identified! What do you think most people will do when they find such a crude piece of lead or iron? Exactly: throw it away faster than they could pick it up!

Best,
Michl

Matchlock · 11th April 2011, 04:10 PM

From the internet.

Cal. 19 mm, dug up in Austria.

Best,
Michael

fernando · 11th April 2011, 05:04 PM

AMAZING !!!!

Matchlock · 11th April 2011, 05:06 PM

I have seen some of these over the decades but do not own any.

m

stekemest · 26th April 2011, 09:51 AM

How long were those clod shots used? I own a piece that could date from the first half of the 15th century, would that fit?
I also have some of those lead balls filled with a piece of iron or stone. That was done because lead was very expensive.

Matchlock · 21st May 2011, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stekemest

How long were those clod shots used? I own a piece that could date from the first half of the 15th century, would that fit?
I also have some of those lead balls filled with a piece of iron or stone. That was done because lead was very expensive.

Oh yes, that's possible.

Although lead was expensive, I rather tend to believe that the method of including gravel was the easiest way to generate maximum loss on the enemy's side - it acted like shot.

Founding lead balls with a stone or iron core mostly seems to have been done for use with brass or bronze barrels, in order to protect these softer materials.

I'd also like to promote the following link here:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...038#post120038

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 16th November 2013, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stekemest

How long were those clod shots used? I own a piece that could date from the first half of the 15th century, would that fit?
I also have some of those lead balls filled with a piece of iron or stone. That was done because lead was very expensive.

Hi,

As I have been both rather freely and busy sharing the pieces in my collection, and as these objects are so rare to find:
would you please care to post good images of your clod shot?

Thanks in advance,
Michael

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5th April 2011, 06:34 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	There are! They just need to be found and identified! What do you think most people will do when they find such a crude piece of lead or iron? Exactly: throw it away faster than they could pick it up! Best, Michl

11th April 2011, 05:04 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	AMAZING !!!!

11th April 2011, 05:06 PM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	I have seen some of these over the decades but do not own any. m

26th April 2011, 09:51 AM	#6
stekemest Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 183	How long were those clod shots used? I own a piece that could date from the first half of the 15th century, would that fit? I also have some of those lead balls filled with a piece of iron or stone. That was done because lead was very expensive.