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22nd November 2010, 05:17 PM
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And here another opinion on the german terms
Handle - for tools "Griff" is more common, "Heft" is more common for weapons tang - sorry, sajen but i never heard the term "Griffzapfen" before. Where i live (about 100km from you  ) "Angel" or "Erl" is usedbevel - "Fase" is correct but IMHO "Anschliff" or "Schliff" is more commonly used. There has been a similar effort on a german knife forum. I don't have the allowance to post the pictures here, so i will just link to the relevant posts: german and english terms for blades http://www.messerforum.net/showthread.php?t=69730 german and english terms for knifes with fixed blades http://www.messerforum.net/showthread.php?t=2723 german and japanese terms for cooking knifes: http://www.messerforum.net/showthread.php?t=71115 Best Regards, Thilo |
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22nd November 2010, 10:26 PM
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Hello Thilo, I collect keris and other weapons from SEA. It's very common to use the term "Keris-Griff" and not "Keris-Heft" same as "Schwert-Griff" at last colloquial. Agree that the term "Angel" is usual (technical) but never heard the term "Erl". I think that every german will know what is meant by "Griffzapfen" since it explains very well the meaning. But of course "Angel" is a good translation. But agree complete with you that "Schliff" or "Anschliff" is a better translation than "Fase"(Fase is more technical). BTW, just use the online translator "Leo" for tang, it's given "Angel", Griffangel" and "Griffzapfen" and some others but not "Erl". But I am sure when we ask someone from the South of Germany he will give us a term we both never heard.   Best regards, Detlef |
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22nd November 2010, 10:58 PM
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Literally translated "Griffzapfen" to the Dutch language will be "Greeptik".. I am sure if I am talking about a "Greeptik" to my friendcollectors, they would think I am loosing my mind and are on the edge of getting crazy... Kind Regards, Maurice |
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23rd November 2010, 12:05 AM
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Thanks guys - please keep the replies flowing in.... From the answers so far you can see why I am having problems....
Even the names for tools (and weapons) vary from region to region in a country - so far for France I have about 20 different names for the billhook.... France is not unique - before the early 19th century it was a disparate collection of different states, each with several regional languages, with different dialects and patois.... Germany was not unified until after WW1, and the Austro-Hungarian Empire had about twelve different 'official' languages... Even English varies from England to the USA (and Australasia, South Africa, India etc).... |
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23rd November 2010, 12:09 AM
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There are a lot of german words that are limited to certain regions or certain contexts. "Heft" or "Hilze" is a rather antiquated term i often see in the context of european bladed weapons. As Billman wanted terms for "edged tools" "Griff" would indeed be more appropiate (and contemporary).  And here a link to prove that i didn't make the term "Erl" up by myself: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erl_%28Klinge%29 Best Regards, Thilo |
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