Philippine weapons in Spanish museums

[migueldiaz]

Originally Posted by celtan

Did you happen to take pictures of the Spanish weapons in these museums, specially swords and daggers?

Hola, Manuel! Not much, as I there were a lot of items, and I focused on Phil. weapons.

Below are pics of some of those few ones I was able to take. Regards.

[Marc]

These are from the Museo Naval, if I'm not mistaken. Spanish regulation (or at least Navy-used) Navy weapons.
There's a catalogue of the bladed weapons of the Museo Naval, but it excludes all the ethnographic section. It's in Spanish, also.

[migueldiaz]

Originally Posted by Marc

These are from the Museo Naval, if I'm not mistaken. Spanish regulation (or at least Navy-used) Navy weapons.
There's a catalogue of the bladed weapons of the Museo Naval, but it excludes all the ethnographic section. It's in Spanish, also.

Marc, thanks. Yes they are from Museo Naval.

On another matter, Vandoo was inquiring earlier whether war clubs were used in Philippines. At the storage of Victor Balaguer museum near Barcelona, I saw a club which was reportedly collected in the country in the 19th century.

But it still needs to be verified whether what's written on the club's handle really pertains to the name of the club and a place in Philippines.

[migueldiaz]

Another interesting piece I saw at the storage of Victor Balaguer museum is a barung from a juramentado.

Maybe our friends from Spain or South America can provide us with the translation of the text (and from there we can all speculate why the juramentados attacked the Chinese which were long-time friends of the Moros, as they have been co-existing for so long).

[Marc]

Let's give it a try. It reads (I think):

“Perteneció a uno de los tres juramentados que entraron en la casa del S(?)ultán Harun (16 Agosto 1888*). Mataron a un moro y a tres chinos e hirieron a siete de éstos”

Which would roughly translate as:

“It belonged to one of the three juramentados who broke in the house of S(?)ultan Harun (16th of August 1888*). They killed a Moro and three Chinese, and wounded seven more of the latter”

I hope this helps.


*It could also be 1898/1889/1899, but I think the year given, 1888, is the most probable option, followed closely by 1898.

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by Marc

Let's give it a try. It reads (I think):

“Perteneció a uno de los tres juramentados que entraron en la casa del S(?)ultán Harun (16 Agosto 1888*). Mataron a un moro y a tres chinos e hirieron a siete de éstos”

Which would roughly translate as:

“It belonged to one of the three juramentados who broke in the house of S(?)ultan Harun (16th of August 1888*). They killed a Moro and three Chinese, and wounded seven more of the latter”

I hope this helps.


*It could also be 1898/1889/1899, but I think the year given, 1888, is the most probable option, followed closely by 1898.

Great work Marc, thank you. History unfolds before our eyes. Lorenz, the depths you have gone to are greatly appreciated as is the willingness of the museum to help with learnings is also greatly appreciated.

Gav

[VANDOO]

THE CLUB APPEARS TO BE A PIECE OF RATTAN WHICH TIED ITS SELF IN A KNOT NATURALLY OR PERHAPS WAS DONE INTENTIONALLY AND THEN HARVESTED WHEN IT WAS THE PROPER SIZE. THE VINE CAN GROW RAPIDLY SO EITHER IS A POSSIBILITY. IT IS EVEN POSSIBLE TO INSERT A ROCK AND LET THE VINE GROW AROUND IT TO MAKE A CLUB. GOOD OLD EXAMPLE OF A PHILIPPINE CLUB AT LAST . IN MY EXPERIENCE RATTAN IS NOT VERY HEAVY OR HARD THOUGH SO I WOULD SUSPECT THERE WERE OTHER SORTS OF WAR CLUB MADE TOO.

[Reichsritter]

Originally Posted by Marc

Let's give it a try. It reads (I think):

“Perteneció a uno de los tres juramentados que entraron en la casa del S(?)ultán Harun (16 Agosto 1888*). Mataron a un moro y a tres chinos e hirieron a siete de éstos”

Which would roughly translate as:

“It belonged to one of the three juramentados who broke in the house of S(?)ultan Harun (16th of August 1888*). They killed a Moro and three Chinese, and wounded seven more of the latter”

I hope this helps.


*It could also be 1898/1889/1899, but I think the year given, 1888, is the most probable option, followed closely by 1898.

The date is correct, Sultan Harun Al Rashid was installed by the Spanish in 1886 and abdicate in favor of his cousin in 1893. He was exiled in Palawan until his death. He has a resident in Jolo from 1886-1893.

[celtan]

Pretties!

All from the mid-late 19th C. Own several of these.

Thanks L !

: )

Originally Posted by migueldiaz

Hola, Manuel! Not much, as I there were a lot of items, and I focused on Phil. weapons.

Below are pics of some of those few ones I was able to take. Regards.

[migueldiaz]

Marc, muchas gracias!

Gav, glad I can contribute to the body of knowledge. But the real thanks should go to the subject museums because they are very generous and helpful.

Vandoo, thanks for those insights.

Reichsritter, your expertise in Moro genealogies among others is surely well appreciated.

Manuel, the pics below are from the Victor Balaguer museum. The weapons sit side by side with the cabinets containing Filipino weapons. Would they be Spanish?

Thanks again to all.

[celtan]

Yes, they are!

: ) : ) : )

Pretties!

Gracias L

M

Originally Posted by migueldiaz

Manuel, the pics below are from the Victor Balaguer museum. The weapons sit side by side with the cabinets containing Filipino weapons. Would they be Spanish?

Thanks again to all.

[Marc]

Well... Spanish, potentially Spanish or Spanish colonial, yes, I agree with Manuel.
The axe is probably the most contentious one, and the dagger is a figurative 19th c. exemplar, generically "European".
Can't blame the people at the museum for not being more specific, they are probably doing their best, and this is, after all, a specialized knowledge.

[migueldiaz]

about that rattan 'club'[?] above, i stumbled upon this pic of a similar 'device' found at the prambanan temple. still not sure if there is any relationship at all. but maybe it will provide clue ...

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by migueldiaz

about that rattan 'club'[?] above, i stumbled upon this pic of a similar 'device' found at the prambanan temple. still not sure if there is any relationship at all. but maybe it will provide clue ...

An uncanny similarity, great detective work!