CARUBAN NAGARI and CIREBON

A. G. Maisey · 22nd June 2009, 08:49 AM

Then of course we need to consider the Chinese question.

Scratch below the surface and just about all these early shakers and movers in that area of Jawa were Chinese.

Then there are the Portugese and Chinese records.

And maybe there were a couple of Faletahans --- at least one of whom was Chinese.

But when you get right down to the nitty gritty, the first Sultan of Cirebon is recognised as Gunung Jati, and he is recorded as dead in 1570.

As to when he was born --- well, that's another question, but we cannot question his death:- the evidence is right there.

Who was Gunung Jati?

Well, I'm no professor of history, I just repeat what professors of history write, and if you read the ones who have researched in this area, they all seem to have varying opinions.

The simple fact of the matter is that the history of Jawa in many respects is exceedingly muddled. One believes what one will, and it is perhaps best to treat these beliefs as if they were religious ones, and not engage in debate.

22nd June 2009, 08:49 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,019	Then of course we need to consider the Chinese question. Scratch below the surface and just about all these early shakers and movers in that area of Jawa were Chinese. Then there are the Portugese and Chinese records. And maybe there were a couple of Faletahans --- at least one of whom was Chinese. But when you get right down to the nitty gritty, the first Sultan of Cirebon is recognised as Gunung Jati, and he is recorded as dead in 1570. As to when he was born --- well, that's another question, but we cannot question his death:- the evidence is right there. Who was Gunung Jati? Well, I'm no professor of history, I just repeat what professors of history write, and if you read the ones who have researched in this area, they all seem to have varying opinions. The simple fact of the matter is that the history of Jawa in many respects is exceedingly muddled. One believes what one will, and it is perhaps best to treat these beliefs as if they were religious ones, and not engage in debate.