Peter Munsten and family

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When the English civil war began, Benjamin Stone (principle mill owner in Hounslow) relocated to Oxford to serve the King; Cromwell then commandeered 'SOME' of the Hounslow mills and converted them to powder mills. Along with Stone there were various German smiths in Oxford e.g. Peter Munsten (the younger) and Heinrich Hoppie (senior). Two others were Heinrich Hoppie (the younger) and Peter Henekells, who returned to Hounslow, then left with Dell for Shotley Bridge in 1685.
It has been stated by various chroniclers that Hoppie (Sr) and Munsten - in an attempt to return to work at their mills in Hounslow – had petitioned the Crown and the Cutlers Guild but were rejected by both: this is not the case.
Ref. Tom Girtin: The Mark of the Sword (A narrative history of the Cutlers Company)
"As early as 1674 the King (Charles II) had declared that England should once again have its own sword manufactory; the Cutlers Guild had concurrently approached the Master of the King's Great Ordnance of the Tower with a view to establishing a manufactory and had also approached Munsten and Hoppie seeking their involvement.
Despite such favourable beginnings, nothing came of it; here was one of those schemes that simply did not come to fruition. Hoppie and Munsten subsequently sent this petition directly to the King, and yet again it was without result."
"In 1629 they were brought over to England by William Heyden and the late King (Charles 1st) and set up their manufacturies at Hounslow; that in the wars they followed his majesty to Oxford, for which Cromwell took their mills from them and converted them into powder mills; that they only remain who know the Art and foreign workmen are hard to obtain, as they are obliged to swear, on leaving the trade, not to discover it on the pain of death; that his majesty ordered the late Colonel to see them provided for, which he doubtless would have done had he lived; and that his majesty desire of setting up the said manufacture in England may be performed by the instructions of the said Hoppie and Munsten, if they receive his majesty’s encouragement."
(KF) We now know that the Crown had developed other plans for an English sword manufactory – out of reach of the City of London, the Cutler's Guild and Parliament. Also, at that time, import agents had brought in huge quantities of very low priced blades which had saturated the London market; nothing new there then.

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urbanspaceman Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Tyneside. North-East England Posts: 635	Peter Munsten and family When the English civil war began, Benjamin Stone (principle mill owner in Hounslow) relocated to Oxford to serve the King; Cromwell then commandeered 'SOME' of the Hounslow mills and converted them to powder mills. Along with Stone there were various German smiths in Oxford e.g. Peter Munsten (the younger) and Heinrich Hoppie (senior). Two others were Heinrich Hoppie (the younger) and Peter Henekells, who returned to Hounslow, then left with Dell for Shotley Bridge in 1685. It has been stated by various chroniclers that Hoppie (Sr) and Munsten - in an attempt to return to work at their mills in Hounslow – had petitioned the Crown and the Cutlers Guild but were rejected by both: this is not the case. Ref. Tom Girtin: The Mark of the Sword (A narrative history of the Cutlers Company) "As early as 1674 the King (Charles II) had declared that England should once again have its own sword manufactory; the Cutlers Guild had concurrently approached the Master of the King's Great Ordnance of the Tower with a view to establishing a manufactory and had also approached Munsten and Hoppie seeking their involvement. Despite such favourable beginnings, nothing came of it; here was one of those schemes that simply did not come to fruition. Hoppie and Munsten subsequently sent this petition directly to the King, and yet again it was without result." "In 1629 they were brought over to England by William Heyden and the late King (Charles 1st) and set up their manufacturies at Hounslow; that in the wars they followed his majesty to Oxford, for which Cromwell took their mills from them and converted them into powder mills; that they only remain who know the Art and foreign workmen are hard to obtain, as they are obliged to swear, on leaving the trade, not to discover it on the pain of death; that his majesty ordered the late Colonel to see them provided for, which he doubtless would have done had he lived; and that his majesty desire of setting up the said manufacture in England may be performed by the instructions of the said Hoppie and Munsten, if they receive his majesty’s encouragement." (KF) We now know that the Crown had developed other plans for an English sword manufactory – out of reach of the City of London, the Cutler's Guild and Parliament. Also, at that time, import agents had brought in huge quantities of very low priced blades which had saturated the London market; nothing new there then.