MArks on an ottoman rifle barell

eftihis · 29th June 2007, 03:23 PM

Hallo, this is an islamic rifle, i think turkish. The barell is very nice, does anybody recognise the markings? It is starnge that near the symbol and signature of maker, there are these "medieval european" looking symbols.

fernando · 30th June 2007, 01:30 AM

Interesting piece you got there.
These strong rifled barrels can also be seen in Sind guns.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...?t=3636&page=1
Looks like the rich markings are indeed imitating the European methods. Aren't the shield with the Arabic script and the square inset with the horse in inverted positions ?
Experts like Ward may come around with better coments.
fernando

ward · 30th June 2007, 11:20 PM

If the barrel is pattern welded Damascus it is a Turkish copy of a Spanish barrel. if it is not probably a Spanish trade barrel that has Turkish marking in arabic added. I have seen the horse mark on Turkish barrels and caucaus barrels. Standard Turkish stock. Nice piece a good example of this form

eftihis · 8th July 2007, 12:49 AM

Hallo, thanks for your comments!
Any comments on the other 2?
The sorter one looks like a typical turkish tufenk -shisane, the other one has a round barell. Is this a simpler construction or an older model?

ward · 8th July 2007, 06:19 PM

The more I look at your first rifle posted I belive it is Turkish made. The second octagonal barell again turkish. The 3rd rounded barrell as a quick look Indian,mounted in a turkish stock type but I would need better pics of the muzzle any markings and it would be helpfull to pull the barell and see pics of the underneath. often it is not oxidized and you can get a better feel for the barell construction to be sure of that
ward

29th June 2007, 03:23 PM	#1
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 512	MArks on an ottoman rifle barell Hallo, this is an islamic rifle, i think turkish. The barell is very nice, does anybody recognise the markings? It is starnge that near the symbol and signature of maker, there are these "medieval european" looking symbols. Attached Images

8th July 2007, 12:49 AM	#4
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 512	2 more rifles Hallo, thanks for your comments! Any comments on the other 2? The sorter one looks like a typical turkish tufenk -shisane, the other one has a round barell. Is this a simpler construction or an older model? Attached Images

30th June 2007, 01:30 AM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Interesting piece you got there. These strong rifled barrels can also be seen in Sind guns. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...?t=3636&page=1 Looks like the rich markings are indeed imitating the European methods. Aren't the shield with the Arabic script and the square inset with the horse in inverted positions ? Experts like Ward may come around with better coments. fernando

30th June 2007, 11:20 PM	#3
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	If the barrel is pattern welded Damascus it is a Turkish copy of a Spanish barrel. if it is not probably a Spanish trade barrel that has Turkish marking in arabic added. I have seen the horse mark on Turkish barrels and caucaus barrels. Standard Turkish stock. Nice piece a good example of this form

8th July 2007, 06:19 PM	#5
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	The more I look at your first rifle posted I belive it is Turkish made. The second octagonal barell again turkish. The 3rd rounded barrell as a quick look Indian,mounted in a turkish stock type but I would need better pics of the muzzle any markings and it would be helpfull to pull the barell and see pics of the underneath. often it is not oxidized and you can get a better feel for the barell construction to be sure of that ward