Palembang Keris

Pendita65 · Yesterday, 09:59 PM

I like to share two pictures of the keris that i won tonight in an auction and will pick it up end of this week.

It was stated Indonesian Keris but the dress is Palembang, and the ukiran is imho Madura

So the blade is in need of a washing, is the blade Madura too? Or is this a mariage ?

Hope to hear from the experts.

Regards, Martin

JustYS · Today, 05:08 AM

Hi Pendita,

I am not knowledgeable enough to answer your questions, but I have a general question regarding Palembang classification (either for the dress or the blade) what is the reference point (in terms of era and style)? Is it Sriwijaya Kingdom (671-1025)?

Cheers,

Sajen · Today, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pendita65

I like to share two pictures of the keris that i won tonight in an auction and will pick it up end of this week.

It was stated Indonesian Keris but the dress is Palembang, and the ukiran is imho Madura

So the blade is in need of a washing, is the blade Madura too? Or is this a mariage ?

Hope to hear from the experts.

Hi Martin,

Now I know who bid me out!

The blade is Palembang too IMO. When you look close you will see that on top of the gonjo and the gandik area had once kinatah. The hilt is North-East coast of Java, not typically Madura.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · Today, 08:39 AM

The kinatah work will have looked like this.

A. G. Maisey · Today, 08:45 AM

Yes, I agree that the hilt is North coast Jawa, & tending towards the east, however, the selut is typically Palembang.

Historically there have been very close ties between Jawa & Palembang. Palembang Keris blade style follows Javanese style very closely, & frankly, I cannot tell from a photo the difference between a blade that might be Palembang, or that might be Jawa or Madura. I would need to handle it & even then I might not be certain.

This keris could be a marriage, but then we need to consider the historical ties and the fact that it is in a Palembang wrongko. Maybe it is not a marriage. If it were mine I'd leave as is. Lots of mix & match examples of keris exist that are true to the area from which they come, not put together somewhere else.

There is something else too. In recent years current era Indonesian collectors & dealers have been trying to promote the recognition of a "tangguh Palembang". In my opinion this is a total impossibility, for the very simple reason that there is no uniquely Palembang blade. A genuine keris Palembang, in the sense of a keris put together in Palembang for wear in Palembang can have a variety of different blades used, including Bugis, Javanese, Peninsula & still be the real deal. The old Javanese tangguh system does not recognise a tangguh Palembang.

Nice keris.

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Pendita65 Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 150	Palembang Keris I like to share two pictures of the keris that i won tonight in an auction and will pick it up end of this week. It was stated Indonesian Keris but the dress is Palembang, and the ukiran is imho Madura So the blade is in need of a washing, is the blade Madura too? Or is this a mariage ? Hope to hear from the experts. Regards, Martin Attached Images

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Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,558	The kinatah work will have looked like this. Attached Images

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JustYS Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 152	Hi Pendita, I am not knowledgeable enough to answer your questions, but I have a general question regarding Palembang classification (either for the dress or the blade) what is the reference point (in terms of era and style)? Is it Sriwijaya Kingdom (671-1025)? Cheers,

Today, 08:45 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,158	Yes, I agree that the hilt is North coast Jawa, & tending towards the east, however, the selut is typically Palembang. Historically there have been very close ties between Jawa & Palembang. Palembang Keris blade style follows Javanese style very closely, & frankly, I cannot tell from a photo the difference between a blade that might be Palembang, or that might be Jawa or Madura. I would need to handle it & even then I might not be certain. This keris could be a marriage, but then we need to consider the historical ties and the fact that it is in a Palembang wrongko. Maybe it is not a marriage. If it were mine I'd leave as is. Lots of mix & match examples of keris exist that are true to the area from which they come, not put together somewhere else. There is something else too. In recent years current era Indonesian collectors & dealers have been trying to promote the recognition of a "tangguh Palembang". In my opinion this is a total impossibility, for the very simple reason that there is no uniquely Palembang blade. A genuine keris Palembang, in the sense of a keris put together in Palembang for wear in Palembang can have a variety of different blades used, including Bugis, Javanese, Peninsula & still be the real deal. The old Javanese tangguh system does not recognise a tangguh Palembang. Nice keris.