My first Nimcha - Page 2

serdar · 19th September 2025, 07:39 PM

Thank you on answer TVV.

I was puzzled the first time i saw sword from Perast, becouse of the handle and guard, i didnt know that style of handle and guard that it originated in Italy, i thought it was a put together piece with a nice tale atached to it, like it is a famous saber of Vuk Mandusic in Criatia, husar saber from 18 century it is atributed to a fighter and public hero from 17 century.

werecow · 20th September 2025, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by serdar

Thank you on answer TVV.

I was puzzled the first time i saw sword from Perast, becouse of the handle and guard, i didnt know that style of handle and guard that it originated in Italy, i thought it was a put together piece with a nice tale atached to it, like it is a famous saber of Vuk Mandusic in Criatia, husar saber from 18 century it is atributed to a fighter and public hero from 17 century.

Yeah, this one is quite interesting. Re:

Are there any closeups of the sword, and particularly the hilt?

serdar · 20th September 2025, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by werecow

Yeah, this one is quite interesting. Re:

Are there any closeups of the sword, and particularly the hilt?

Yes, online, in museum it is positioned in that way that it is imppsible to take picture of the sword....

And description of the sword, translaten from Croatian.

"That sword belonged to Dragon - Fire Wolf, a descendant of the despotic Branković family, and with the marriage of Katarina Branković, it became the property of the Zrinski family. According to this tradition, Petar Zrinski gave a sword to the people of Peraštan on 05/23/1654. year after the great victory of Peraštan over the Turks.

However, it is also assumed that the sword was made by craftsmen in one of the workshops in the Boka Kotorska area. This is corroborated by the coat of arms of the Rajković family of Perasca on the blade, to which the Stjepanović family also belonged, and according to some sources it belonged to Vukša Stjepanović from Perast."

I saw those style handles across italy museums, not many.

Sword has text on latin, and old church slavic language.

werecow · 20th September 2025, 11:09 PM

A very cool and interesting sword. I like that it has a straight backsword blade. And a wide one, too.

I knew that the nimcha/saif hilt style had not changed much since the 17th century from the Michiel de Ruyter one and similar examples, and I had heard about connections with the storta and other Italian sword types, but I was not aware that the hilt was such a 1:1 copy.

serdar · Yesterday, 12:25 PM

Yes it is, very nice sword.
Blade is gorgeous, when i first saw the sword i thought it is a nimcha handle i didnt know italians made those handles, after trip thru the italy and their museums i saw swords with the same hilts that are italian made.
Obviously italians made them and then they were also made elswere.

gp · Yesterday, 06:12 PM

Can you be more specific as to “ Italian” does not tell me anything….
That country started after Garibaldi

Were it the Venetians who ruled over the waves and Adria for quite some times or are we talking sword makers from other regions or cities?

TVV · Yesterday, 10:55 PM

The very interesting sword from Perast serdar shared with us is Montenegrin under Venetian control. The scabbard is reminiscent of schiavona scabbards.

The hilt is very similar to nimcha hilts and is from approximately the same time as De Ruyter's trophy nimcha and some other nimchas captured by the Spaniards in Oran. It is therefore difficult to tell with an absolute degree of certainty who copied who when it comes to the hilt.

The same hilt style also existed in Southern Arabia, where the Italian maritime republics had no real presence, and the most plausible explanation is an Ottoman connection.

19th September 2025, 07:39 PM	#31
serdar Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 181	Thank you on answer TVV. I was puzzled the first time i saw sword from Perast, becouse of the handle and guard, i didnt know that style of handle and guard that it originated in Italy, i thought it was a put together piece with a nice tale atached to it, like it is a famous saber of Vuk Mandusic in Criatia, husar saber from 18 century it is atributed to a fighter and public hero from 17 century.

20th September 2025, 11:09 PM	#34
werecow Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Leiden, NL Posts: 606	A very cool and interesting sword. I like that it has a straight backsword blade. And a wide one, too. I knew that the nimcha/saif hilt style had not changed much since the 17th century from the Michiel de Ruyter one and similar examples, and I had heard about connections with the storta and other Italian sword types, but I was not aware that the hilt was such a 1:1 copy.

Yesterday, 12:25 PM	#35
serdar Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 181	Yes it is, very nice sword. Blade is gorgeous, when i first saw the sword i thought it is a nimcha handle i didnt know italians made those handles, after trip thru the italy and their museums i saw swords with the same hilts that are italian made. Obviously italians made them and then they were also made elswere.

Yesterday, 06:12 PM	#36
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 894	Can you be more specific as to “ Italian” does not tell me anything…. That country started after Garibaldi Were it the Venetians who ruled over the waves and Adria for quite some times or are we talking sword makers from other regions or cities?

Yesterday, 10:55 PM	#37
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,718	The very interesting sword from Perast serdar shared with us is Montenegrin under Venetian control. The scabbard is reminiscent of schiavona scabbards. The hilt is very similar to nimcha hilts and is from approximately the same time as De Ruyter's trophy nimcha and some other nimchas captured by the Spaniards in Oran. It is therefore difficult to tell with an absolute degree of certainty who copied who when it comes to the hilt. The same hilt style also existed in Southern Arabia, where the Italian maritime republics had no real presence, and the most plausible explanation is an Ottoman connection.