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5th October 2020, 07:05 PM
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another old ( I hope ! ) shield ! Ottoman piece ??
Hello everybody,
for this one I couldn't resist, ( always loved old stuff !) and I already have it in my hands ! Looks like a mix between an old ottoman kalkan shield ( iron pieces and the handle ) and an indian dhal ! Maybe another ethnic origin ? It's made of thick leather ( which animal ?) and pieces of iron. 18th-19th century ? or earlier ? or just looks like old ? Anybody has an idea about the leather origin ? Kind regards |
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5th October 2020, 07:07 PM
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other pictures...
glad if somebody give me advice about cleaning/restore it |
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5th October 2020, 08:15 PM
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this one not bad for see the convex form and the iron mounts...
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5th October 2020, 08:53 PM
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Hi
mmmmm I would say a mix between a dhal shield and an Indian shield 
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5th October 2020, 11:42 PM
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Afghanistan?
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6th October 2020, 03:32 PM
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Hello,
Thank you for your message ! yes it looks like an indian dhal with his four bosses but I haven't seen one with this kind of central shape and the lateral iron '' stenghtening'' that make me think of other origin with this kind of central cross... It's not a later ad, I put a ''close'' picture, it was made first, before the bosses have been fixed. For the moment, I cleaned it with baking soda and special stuff against parasites / pests ( it was reeally necessary ! ) then a little oil on because the leather was cracked in many parts. Change the color, not that bad, we see a red skin under surface ( not transluscent, don't think rhino back ) maybe it will stay like that or becomes already lighter... What do you think about all ? age, origin clenaing it more ?...  Kind regards |
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6th October 2020, 06:27 PM
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we see a red skin under surface ( not transluscent, don't think rhino back )
maybe it will stay like that or becomes already lighter... is translucence in Dahl leather an indication of Rhino hide? I will put up a pic of my "New" dahl this week There seems to be a lot on shields at moment, interesting topic I would love to get a Zulu one, I am sure it will happen sometime!! Regards Ken |
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6th October 2020, 08:15 PM
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Hello ,
yes it ''usually'' will work , if the leather is thick enough and still translucent. Just one more criteria, somebody can tell you that if you put a lightened torch behind your ear it will turn red too and we are not rhino's ...
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6th October 2020, 10:32 PM
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It has nothing in common with Ottoman materials, form
or construction. It is either N.Indian or Afghan, vers 1820-50 |
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7th October 2020, 12:06 AM
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I would not rule out a tribal piece from the Caucuses. The Kev-Sur for example used iron bound hide bucklers, though theirs usually with a central boss.
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7th October 2020, 03:47 PM
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Hello,
thank you for your comments ! North india and Afghanistan make me think of Balochistan and their shields. I found this leather shield with the metal side but it's less raw than ''mine'' with his all iron structure... The Khevsur people and their armor are really interesting, I saw their small iron raw round dhal looking shield that made me think too that ''mine'' could come from some( where(?) ) in central Asia... Another point: the leather; it seems all made of small hair-wool more than skin cells... |
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7th October 2020, 06:35 PM
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Seller told me hippo for the leather and indo persian origin...
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