Newbie that doesn’t know much. What do I have???

Raiderbeater · 16th July 2019, 01:34 AM

Hello all. I’m rather new and had a Hudson Bay trade lance you guys just helped me out with the ID of. I’m a long time auction buyer who has come by many items in lots and property sales over the years that might be of interest. No idea where these are from originally and I am not an expert. Any help with what I have (or if it’s even real and not novelty items) would be appreciated. Here are some pics.

Sajen · 16th July 2019, 09:06 PM

Hello,

Welcome to the forum. I can help with the two daggers on the right, the red dyed leather covered dagger is a seme dagger, the second from the right is a Moroccan koummya. Both are not very old IMO. Hope this helps a little bit.

Regards,
Detlef

kahnjar1 · 16th July 2019, 09:27 PM

Just to add to Detlef's ID....... the SEME is African Maasai.
Stu

Raiderbeater · 17th July 2019, 09:22 PM

Thanks guys. Any idea about the bronze or the open sided wood scabbard?

Robert · 18th July 2019, 04:27 AM

The one with the open sided wooden scabbard using a small carving of a shield to help hold the knife in place is from the Philippines. Once again like the others is not of any great age and would likely date to WWII or possibly even much later. It would help immensely to see better photos of both the knife and scabbard itself.

Best,
Robert

kahnjar1 · 18th July 2019, 05:59 AM

The bronze/brass item appears to be cast judging by the surface "bubbles". Sorry no idea as to origin.
Stu

mahratt · 18th July 2019, 07:28 AM

The bronze dagger is a modern copy of a nomadic dagger from the 4th-6th centuries B.C. Scythians or Sarmatians

thinreadline · 2nd August 2019, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mahratt

The bronze dagger is a modern copy of a nomadic dagger from the 4th-6th centuries B.C. Scythians or Sarmatians

or possibly a modern copy of a Celtic dagger , or it may be a modern made athame ritual 'Wicca' dagger.

mahratt · 2nd August 2019, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thinreadline

or possibly a modern copy of a Celtic dagger , or it may be a modern made athame ritual 'Wicca' dagger.

https://www.google.ru/search?newwind...ih=657#imgrc=_

16th July 2019, 01:34 AM	#1
Raiderbeater Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 5	Newbie that doesn’t know much. What do I have??? Hello all. I’m rather new and had a Hudson Bay trade lance you guys just helped me out with the ID of. I’m a long time auction buyer who has come by many items in lots and property sales over the years that might be of interest. No idea where these are from originally and I am not an expert. Any help with what I have (or if it’s even real and not novelty items) would be appreciated. Here are some pics. Attached Images

16th July 2019, 09:06 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,409	Hello, Welcome to the forum. I can help with the two daggers on the right, the red dyed leather covered dagger is a seme dagger, the second from the right is a Moroccan koummya. Both are not very old IMO. Hope this helps a little bit. Regards, Detlef

16th July 2019, 09:27 PM	#3
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,810	Just to add to Detlef's ID....... the SEME is African Maasai. Stu

17th July 2019, 09:22 PM	#4
Raiderbeater Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 5	Thanks guys. Any idea about the bronze or the open sided wood scabbard?

18th July 2019, 04:27 AM	#5
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	The one with the open sided wooden scabbard using a small carving of a shield to help hold the knife in place is from the Philippines. Once again like the others is not of any great age and would likely date to WWII or possibly even much later. It would help immensely to see better photos of both the knife and scabbard itself. Best, Robert

18th July 2019, 05:59 AM	#6
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,810	The bronze/brass item appears to be cast judging by the surface "bubbles". Sorry no idea as to origin. Stu

18th July 2019, 07:28 AM	#7
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	The bronze dagger is a modern copy of a nomadic dagger from the 4th-6th centuries B.C. Scythians or Sarmatians