Kampilan ?

Michel · 26th September 2009, 11:52 AM

During my last relocation, the grip of this micro Philipino weapon was lost.
It is part of the attached plate showing several type of Philipino weapons.
Is this micro weapon a kampilan ?
Is the grip the right one ?
I want to reproduce this very small grip.
The total blade length is 14 cm.
Thanks for your help.
I think Battara could very easily answer my questions et correct me.
Thanks a lot
Regards
Michel

Rick · 26th September 2009, 08:25 PM

A nice older display .
The handles are bone ?
I think it's someone's interpretation of a Kampilan .
Interesting, having a Jawa hilted blade as a center piece in this otherwise Philippine display .

kronckew · 26th September 2009, 08:38 PM

Linky for other shapes

some are more 'traditional' than others there so caveat emptor.

Maurice · 26th September 2009, 08:39 PM

And the "handle" of the little kampy should be fitted the other way, logically.

Battara · 27th September 2009, 04:16 AM

It should be a kampilan hilt, Rick may have a point that it might be an interpretation.

Michel · 27th September 2009, 05:23 PM

Thanks to all of you.
Rick: Yes the handles are in bones except the one at 10 o'clock, the Jawa keris in the middle and the keris Moro at 7 o'clock.
I am responsible for this strange combination (all philipino blades with one jawa keris) as when I found these blades they were all wrapped in a piece of paper. They were obviously all coming from the same source and the jawa blade and the Moro Keris had no grip. So I made these handles and the display.
Thanks for the bringing in the idea of "interpretation" of a kampilan. I think that you are right. As I have searched a similar blade but could not find one having this little bump at the end of the blade. The interpretation of the handle will give me also more freedom for the handle to be made.
Thanks Kronkckew for the many shapes of philipino blades shown, with their names.

Thank you Battara for the confirmation of Rick's interpretation. I think I will make a real kampilan type of handle, in wood and not in bone or Tagua nut.
Have you ever seen a kampilan hilt in Ivory ?
What do you think : dark hard wood can do the job ?

To insert the hairs in a 40 millimeter long and only 2-3 mm thick handle will be tricky. Any suggestions ?

Regards

Michel

Battara · 27th September 2009, 10:49 PM

First, dark wood would work, but bone would match the others. Just Inscribe the "hair" into the bone.

Second, here is the hilt of my ivory kampilan. They are insanely rare, but they do exist (there is also one in the PI National Museum).

Michel · 27th September 2009, 11:17 PM

Thank you Battara
Michel

Rick · 28th September 2009, 12:45 AM

Hopefully you will have enough tang to acommodate both guard and pommel .

Maybe it should be carved from 1 piece and the separation line cut in and filled with ink .

Michel · 28th September 2009, 11:29 AM

Well Rick,
Your remark is a very valid one
That tang is really short but this is not a real kampilan that will be utilized. I can glue the tang inside the pommel and I think, I could even get rid of the metallic guard. Kampilans have a very special type of guard, which is very different than the one on my miniature kampilan and I will not try to reproduce it. I will follow your suggestion and carve it in one or two pieces. May be I can copy Battara's one !
Regards
Michel

26th September 2009, 11:52 AM	#1
Michel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 139	Kampilan ? During my last relocation, the grip of this micro Philipino weapon was lost. It is part of the attached plate showing several type of Philipino weapons. Is this micro weapon a kampilan ? Is the grip the right one ? I want to reproduce this very small grip. The total blade length is 14 cm. Thanks for your help. I think Battara could very easily answer my questions et correct me. Thanks a lot Regards Michel Attached Images

27th September 2009, 05:23 PM	#6
Michel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 139	Kampilan Thanks to all of you. Rick: Yes the handles are in bones except the one at 10 o'clock, the Jawa keris in the middle and the keris Moro at 7 o'clock. I am responsible for this strange combination (all philipino blades with one jawa keris) as when I found these blades they were all wrapped in a piece of paper. They were obviously all coming from the same source and the jawa blade and the Moro Keris had no grip. So I made these handles and the display. Thanks for the bringing in the idea of "interpretation" of a kampilan. I think that you are right. As I have searched a similar blade but could not find one having this little bump at the end of the blade. The interpretation of the handle will give me also more freedom for the handle to be made. Thanks Kronkckew for the many shapes of philipino blades shown, with their names. Thank you Battara for the confirmation of Rick's interpretation. I think I will make a real kampilan type of handle, in wood and not in bone or Tagua nut. Have you ever seen a kampilan hilt in Ivory ? What do you think : dark hard wood can do the job ? To insert the hairs in a 40 millimeter long and only 2-3 mm thick handle will be tricky. Any suggestions ? Regards Michel

27th September 2009, 10:49 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	First, dark wood would work, but bone would match the others. Just Inscribe the "hair" into the bone. Second, here is the hilt of my ivory kampilan. They are insanely rare, but they do exist (there is also one in the PI National Museum). Attached Images

27th September 2009, 11:17 PM	#8
Michel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 139	Kampilan Thank you Battara Michel

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26th September 2009, 08:25 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	A nice older display . The handles are bone ? I think it's someone's interpretation of a Kampilan . Interesting, having a Jawa hilted blade as a center piece in this otherwise Philippine display .

26th September 2009, 08:38 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	Linky for other shapes some are more 'traditional' than others there so caveat emptor.

26th September 2009, 08:39 PM	#4
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,462	And the "handle" of the little kampy should be fitted the other way, logically.

27th September 2009, 04:16 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	It should be a kampilan hilt, Rick may have a point that it might be an interpretation.

28th September 2009, 12:45 AM	#9
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Hopefully you will have enough tang to acommodate both guard and pommel . Maybe it should be carved from 1 piece and the separation line cut in and filled with ink .

28th September 2009, 11:29 AM	#10
Michel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 139	Well Rick, Your remark is a very valid one That tang is really short but this is not a real kampilan that will be utilized. I can glue the tang inside the pommel and I think, I could even get rid of the metallic guard. Kampilans have a very special type of guard, which is very different than the one on my miniature kampilan and I will not try to reproduce it. I will follow your suggestion and carve it in one or two pieces. May be I can copy Battara's one ! Regards Michel