Kindjal for translation and comments

Gonzoadler · 8th July 2021, 10:11 PM

Hello,

A colleague from another forum has this Kindjal and asked for a translation.
It would be great if anyone can help.
I read the number 1187, but no matter if you use the Hidjra or the Persian calendar, that can't be the year when it was made, that's too old.
I would say 1930's at best and the origin could be Persia (because of the bone work) or Syria (because of the silver Koftgari) but I'm not sure.
Any comments welcome.

Regards
Robin

ariel · 10th July 2021, 03:03 PM

Strictly speaking, this is not a Kindjal. Kindjal is a russified version of the name for a Caucasian ( and Transcaucasian) straight double-edged dagger, locally called Khandjali in Georgian, a name derived from Persian Khanjar. Turkish name is Kama ( Qama). This one is a typical Qajar era based on the carvings on its bone scabbard. It is dated 1187, ie 1773-4 Gregorian, well before the Qajar era (1789-1925). Is it Ottoman or Persian is difficult to be sure: this is a touristy item, made all over, including Syria. Hence the dating.
Likely ( IMHO) late 19-first half of 20 cen.).
I fully agree with all of your points.

Kubur · 10th July 2021, 10:25 PM

I agree 1930-50ties, tourist khanjar from Iran

Gonzoadler · 13th July 2021, 01:51 PM

Thanks for your comments.
Is nobody here who is able to translate the inscription?

kwiatek · 9th August 2021, 04:15 PM

It looks like

الله
شام محمد
روفان
١١٨٧

'God. Syria(Damascus), Muhammad Rufan(?). 1187'

It does not look old

8th July 2021, 10:11 PM	#1
Gonzoadler Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Germany Posts: 273	Kindjal for translation and comments Hello, A colleague from another forum has this Kindjal and asked for a translation. It would be great if anyone can help. I read the number 1187, but no matter if you use the Hidjra or the Persian calendar, that can't be the year when it was made, that's too old. I would say 1930's at best and the origin could be Persia (because of the bone work) or Syria (because of the silver Koftgari) but I'm not sure. Any comments welcome. Regards Robin Attached Images

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10th July 2021, 03:03 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Strictly speaking, this is not a Kindjal. Kindjal is a russified version of the name for a Caucasian ( and Transcaucasian) straight double-edged dagger, locally called Khandjali in Georgian, a name derived from Persian Khanjar. Turkish name is Kama ( Qama). This one is a typical Qajar era based on the carvings on its bone scabbard. It is dated 1187, ie 1773-4 Gregorian, well before the Qajar era (1789-1925). Is it Ottoman or Persian is difficult to be sure: this is a touristy item, made all over, including Syria. Hence the dating. Likely ( IMHO) late 19-first half of 20 cen.). I fully agree with all of your points.

10th July 2021, 10:25 PM	#3
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	I agree 1930-50ties, tourist khanjar from Iran

13th July 2021, 01:51 PM	#4
Gonzoadler Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Germany Posts: 273	Thanks for your comments. Is nobody here who is able to translate the inscription?

9th August 2021, 04:15 PM	#5
kwiatek Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 156	It looks like الله شام محمد روفان ١١٨٧ 'God. Syria(Damascus), Muhammad Rufan(?). 1187' It does not look old