Ottoman leather ammunition holder

eftihis · 25th February 2021, 07:41 AM

These 2 seem identical, just the one is missing the outer leather cover. Anyone knows where they come from? They hava a "bosnian" feel to me.

David R · 25th February 2021, 12:14 PM

Very nice indeed. Thanks for posting.

rickystl · 25th February 2021, 09:27 PM

Nice find Eftihis.

They both look Turkish/Ottoman to me. And similar to others I've seen, including one I own.
Doesn't look Saudi or Omani. Nor Afghan.

Again, nice find.

Rick

Kubur · 26th February 2021, 02:00 PM

I vote for Bosnian or Albanian, the leather work is similar to the selahlik or bensilah. But I also agree with Rick the Turkish ones are also very similar... And are they really Turkish??

kahnjar1 · 26th February 2021, 08:25 PM

I can not comment on actual ORIGIN, but the top pic appears to show the Turkish star and crescent (above the leather lace).
Nice pieces.
Stu

eftihis · 26th February 2021, 08:48 PM

Well the crescent and star means it belonged to amuslim, but was he a mainland Turk or a Balkan muslim?

gp · 26th February 2021, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by eftihis

Well the crescent and star means it belonged to amuslim, but was he a mainland Turk or a Balkan muslim?

Hold your horses as it is a little premature since it doesn't have to be a Muslim one ...

Please allow me to explain: the Coat of Arms of the Kingdom of Slovens, Croats and Serbs, later changed to the Kingdom of Southern Slavs (Yugoslavia) has the Coat of Arms of Slavonia incorporated in it at the bottom....
which is a lying Cresent with a star. Also found on their coinage (denar Slavonia) since medieval times and is not Islam related at all.

It could very well be indeed be from Hercegowina but more proof needs to be present instead of assumptions...

But to be sure we need a better picture of the Cresent and especially the star to verfy if it is from the Balkans or if we need to look elswhere. .

I have got some books from 1860-1900 about the Balkans and Ottoman empire with similar pics but I need a good look and better pic of the bag in order to compare and determinate

Kubur · 27th February 2021, 10:36 AM

It's the reason why I didn't mention the crescent and the star. You have this in all Ottoman dominated countries up to Yemen. I don't know if it's Christian or Muslim, but it's probably from the Balkans.

25th February 2021, 07:41 AM	#1
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 512	Ottoman leather ammunition holder These 2 seem identical, just the one is missing the outer leather cover. Anyone knows where they come from? They hava a "bosnian" feel to me. Attached Images

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25th February 2021, 12:14 PM	#2
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,135	Very nice indeed. Thanks for posting.

25th February 2021, 09:27 PM	#3
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Nice find Eftihis. They both look Turkish/Ottoman to me. And similar to others I've seen, including one I own. Doesn't look Saudi or Omani. Nor Afghan. Again, nice find. Rick

26th February 2021, 02:00 PM	#4
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	I vote for Bosnian or Albanian, the leather work is similar to the selahlik or bensilah. But I also agree with Rick the Turkish ones are also very similar... And are they really Turkish??

26th February 2021, 08:25 PM	#5
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,811	I can not comment on actual ORIGIN, but the top pic appears to show the Turkish star and crescent (above the leather lace). Nice pieces. Stu

26th February 2021, 08:48 PM	#6
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 512	Well the crescent and star means it belonged to amuslim, but was he a mainland Turk or a Balkan muslim?

27th February 2021, 10:36 AM	#8
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	It's the reason why I didn't mention the crescent and the star. You have this in all Ottoman dominated countries up to Yemen. I don't know if it's Christian or Muslim, but it's probably from the Balkans.