Pappenheimer Rapier for comment.

Cerjak · 13th October 2015, 12:54 PM

This Pappenheimer Rapier has a 90cm offset triangular section blade overall 105 cm.Width of the blade 25 mm
also one pierce guard plate is missing.
Any comment on it will be welcome.
Best
Cerjak

Cerjak · 13th October 2015, 12:55 PM

more pics

CSinTX · 13th October 2015, 02:43 PM

Would the blade be original with some of the engravings being inside the guard and no ricasso?

Any pictures of the pommel?

Cerjak · 13th October 2015, 02:48 PM

more pic

ulfberth · 13th October 2015, 07:20 PM

Hello Cerjak,

Certainly an interesting type of Pappenheimer rapier, with a triangular blade, rare but they did exist.
Could you post some pics of spot were the blade fits into the guard and a close up pic of the pommel?
I have questions about the patina of the pommel vs the rest of the rapier and the way the blade fits into the guard and its position vs the guard plate.

kind regards

Ulfberth

fernando · 13th October 2015, 11:11 PM

Hi Jean-Luc,
Have you tried to read the words in the inscription ?

Cerjak · 14th October 2015, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Hi Jean-Luc,
Have you tried to read the words in the inscription ?

Hi Fernando

It was no easy to take some pictures ,
So I can see: First a cross ?
after S-E-B-A- R?-A- N R-O -S-N - ?
Best

Jean-Luc

Cerjak · 14th October 2015, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ulfberth

Hello Cerjak,

Certainly an interesting type of Pappenheimer rapier, with a triangular blade, rare but they did exist.
Could you post some pics of spot were the blade fits into the guard and a close up pic of the pommel?
I have questions about the patina of the pommel vs the rest of the rapier and the way the blade fits into the guard and its position vs the guard plate.

kind regards

Ulfberth

Hi Ulfberth

This is some extra pictures from the guard
Best
Cerjak

ulfberth · 14th October 2015, 04:50 PM

Hello Jean Luc,

The way the blade fits into the guard and its position vs the guard plate or how the rim of the plate fits the blade makes me think this is re-used blade.
I believe the blade is changed in its working life because it has the same overall pitting.
I can't see the surface of the pommel enough, does it have the same pitting?
It is the correct model pommel for this rapier.

Kind regards

Ulfberth

Cerjak · 14th October 2015, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ulfberth

Hello Jean Luc,

The way the blade fits into the guard and its position vs the guard plate or how the rim of the plate fits the blade makes me think this is re-used blade.
I believe the blade is changed in its working life because it has the same overall pitting.
I can't see the surface of the pommel enough, does it have the same pitting?
It is the correct model pommel for this rapier.

Kind regards

Ulfberth

Hi Urfberth,
Thank you very much for your imput about this rapier.
Yes the pommel has the same pitting ,I aggree your opinion that this sword could have a re-used blade changed in working period as all elements are in the same state of conservation with the same pitting.

Best
Jean-Luc

ulfberth · 14th October 2015, 06:17 PM

Hi Jean Luc,

you are welcome, Yes this picture of the pommel clearly shows the same patina/pitting and it is exactly the same overall, this is a good sign and proves the rapier is historically correct .

kind regards

Ulfberth

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13th October 2015, 02:43 PM	#3
CSinTX Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 235	Would the blade be original with some of the engravings being inside the guard and no ricasso? Any pictures of the pommel?

13th October 2015, 07:20 PM	#5
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 439	Hello Cerjak, Certainly an interesting type of Pappenheimer rapier, with a triangular blade, rare but they did exist. Could you post some pics of spot were the blade fits into the guard and a close up pic of the pommel? I have questions about the patina of the pommel vs the rest of the rapier and the way the blade fits into the guard and its position vs the guard plate. kind regards Ulfberth

13th October 2015, 11:11 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi Jean-Luc, Have you tried to read the words in the inscription ?

14th October 2015, 04:50 PM	#9
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 439	Hello Jean Luc, The way the blade fits into the guard and its position vs the guard plate or how the rim of the plate fits the blade makes me think this is re-used blade. I believe the blade is changed in its working life because it has the same overall pitting. I can't see the surface of the pommel enough, does it have the same pitting? It is the correct model pommel for this rapier. Kind regards Ulfberth

14th October 2015, 06:17 PM	#11
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 439	Hi Jean Luc, you are welcome, Yes this picture of the pommel clearly shows the same patina/pitting and it is exactly the same overall, this is a good sign and proves the rapier is historically correct . kind regards Ulfberth