PNG stone ball club

Tim Simmons · 2nd June 2012, 02:59 PM

Just want to show new toy. Heavily varnished, before and after pictures. Not a big one total length 67cm, in a way I like it all the more. Great wieght to length ratio. Under to varnish the palm wood has a very pleasant smooth patina. The maker has used a resin substance as well as a peg and rattan biding to hold the stone.

colin henshaw · 2nd June 2012, 03:16 PM

Looks good - an honest and genuine piece. I like the combination of materials - stone, wood and rattan.

Tim Simmons · 2nd June 2012, 04:38 PM

Thank you Colin. I have discovered while looking at what I thought was just a lump of resin with a x10 loop. Three human teeth. Although a little macarbre I have to admit to getting a frisson from what is now a rather special piece in the collection.

Tim Simmons · 2nd June 2012, 04:47 PM

Another one under the stone makes four.

Clubs & Arrows · 2nd June 2012, 05:59 PM

Tim,
Great job on stripping the stone of the varnish. It looks much better. Excellent job on scoring a club with hidden bonuses. Outstanding!

Joe

Tim Simmons · 2nd June 2012, 07:23 PM

I do not want to go on about it but you know when you get a new toy it is hard to put it down. Looking at these teeth and they are tooth material. It is very hard to be sure were they come from as they are largely hidden and I cannot be sure that what is visable is crown or root. They are very small so what could they be? If adult human teeth they would have to be fragments? Possiblely infant teeth? used as they are lost? Teeth from some other mamal like a flying fox? Field work needed. I believe some cultures do value the flying fox in a spiritual way?

colin henshaw · 2nd June 2012, 07:42 PM

Might be human teeth - certainly the Fijians inlaid their clubs with human teeth sometimes...

Tim Simmons · 2nd June 2012, 07:54 PM

This is very interesting. Full of academic wordyness if you are into that sort of thing { a trifle long winded for me} it is also has a rather messy focus for most of our roll on, spray on, scented stick dab it off modern tastes. It is well worth reading but if you are struggling scroll down to page 23 and there is mention of Flying Fox which could well be applied to the use magic in weapons. Takes quite a while to fully download. Happy reading I found it pretty hot

http://umn.academia.edu/DavidLipset/...trigger_canoes

Tim Simmons · 2nd June 2012, 08:16 PM

Again wordy wordy but not so messy. Perhaps the bats teeth or indeed the teeth of some other PNG mammal or marsupial offer totemic protection? Flying Fox designs are found on Asmat shields.

http://camel.minpaku.ac.jp/dspace/bi.../SES47_005.pdf

VANDOO · 3rd June 2012, 07:40 AM

A VERY NICE CLUB AND THE TEETH ARE AN INTERESTING DISCOVERY.

THE LARGE FRUIT BATS MAY BE A POSSIBILITY FOR THE TEETH BUT THE CUSCUS IS OFTEN HUNTED FOR FOOD AND ITS PELT USED AS PART OF THE NATIVE CEREMONJIAL DRESS, HATS, WIGS AND SUCH. THEY HAVE TREE KANGAROOS, DOGS,CATS. I HAVE SEEN QUITE A FEW FORMS OF NECKLACES USING LARGE NUMBERS OF WHAT ARE SAID TO BE DOG TEETH. IF THEY ARE DOG TEETH THEY MUST BE ON THE MENU OVER THERE. PICTURE OF SPOTTED CUSCUS

2nd June 2012, 02:59 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,925	PNG stone ball club Just want to show new toy. Heavily varnished, before and after pictures. Not a big one total length 67cm, in a way I like it all the more. Great wieght to length ratio. Under to varnish the palm wood has a very pleasant smooth patina. The maker has used a resin substance as well as a peg and rattan biding to hold the stone. Attached Images

2nd June 2012, 04:38 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,925	Thank you Colin. I have discovered while looking at what I thought was just a lump of resin with a x10 loop. Three human teeth. Although a little macarbre I have to admit to getting a frisson from what is now a rather special piece in the collection. Attached Images

2nd June 2012, 04:47 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,925	Another one under the stone makes four. Attached Images

3rd June 2012, 07:40 AM	#10
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A VERY NICE CLUB AND THE TEETH ARE AN INTERESTING DISCOVERY. THE LARGE FRUIT BATS MAY BE A POSSIBILITY FOR THE TEETH BUT THE CUSCUS IS OFTEN HUNTED FOR FOOD AND ITS PELT USED AS PART OF THE NATIVE CEREMONJIAL DRESS, HATS, WIGS AND SUCH. THEY HAVE TREE KANGAROOS, DOGS,CATS. I HAVE SEEN QUITE A FEW FORMS OF NECKLACES USING LARGE NUMBERS OF WHAT ARE SAID TO BE DOG TEETH. IF THEY ARE DOG TEETH THEY MUST BE ON THE MENU OVER THERE. PICTURE OF SPOTTED CUSCUS Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 4th June 2012 at 05:29 AM.

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2nd June 2012, 03:16 PM	#2
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,429	Looks good - an honest and genuine piece. I like the combination of materials - stone, wood and rattan.

2nd June 2012, 05:59 PM	#5
Clubs & Arrows Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: San Gabriel Foothills, Southern California Posts: 94	Tim, Great job on stripping the stone of the varnish. It looks much better. Excellent job on scoring a club with hidden bonuses. Outstanding! Joe

2nd June 2012, 07:23 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,925	I do not want to go on about it but you know when you get a new toy it is hard to put it down. Looking at these teeth and they are tooth material. It is very hard to be sure were they come from as they are largely hidden and I cannot be sure that what is visable is crown or root. They are very small so what could they be? If adult human teeth they would have to be fragments? Possiblely infant teeth? used as they are lost? Teeth from some other mamal like a flying fox? Field work needed. I believe some cultures do value the flying fox in a spiritual way?

2nd June 2012, 07:42 PM	#7
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,429	Might be human teeth - certainly the Fijians inlaid their clubs with human teeth sometimes...

2nd June 2012, 07:54 PM	#8
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,925	This is very interesting. Full of academic wordyness if you are into that sort of thing { a trifle long winded for me} it is also has a rather messy focus for most of our roll on, spray on, scented stick dab it off modern tastes. It is well worth reading but if you are struggling scroll down to page 23 and there is mention of Flying Fox which could well be applied to the use magic in weapons. Takes quite a while to fully download. Happy reading I found it pretty hot http://umn.academia.edu/DavidLipset/...trigger_canoes

2nd June 2012, 08:16 PM	#9
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,925	Again wordy wordy but not so messy. Perhaps the bats teeth or indeed the teeth of some other PNG mammal or marsupial offer totemic protection? Flying Fox designs are found on Asmat shields. http://camel.minpaku.ac.jp/dspace/bi.../SES47_005.pdf