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|  24th June 2024, 03:10 PM | #1 | 
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			Hi, Can you help me to evaluate how old is that blade and what is the origin? I suspect persian blade from minimum XVIII.. but maybe XVII.. Hilt is missing but might be ineresting.. anatomical shape rather than classic one. | 
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|  24th June 2024, 09:26 PM | #2 | 
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			Hello qusko IMHO this is a Hungarian-Polish karabela Regards, Yuri | 
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|  24th June 2024, 11:17 PM | #3 | 
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			The guard is Persian, and there were Persian trade blades with fullers. After cleaning the blade, are there any markings?
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|  25th June 2024, 06:25 AM | #4 | 
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			Thank you for your comments. Unfortunately blade has no markings. Indeed it is similar to persian trade blades, might be older. I have attached few Pictures, where similar blade, or hilt shape were used. In some other articles I read it might be Zand era blade. In polish karabela there were foreign blade used,but seems it is not the case of this sabre. | 
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|  25th June 2024, 09:09 AM | #5 | 
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			Hello, I am of the opinion this is NOT a Persian but an European trade blade. I base my opinion on the configuration of the blade like the shape of the edge and the fullers. Yes, the cross-guard appears to be Persian but this is the ONLY Persian feature I can distinguish in this example. PS: In my opinion, the blade in the photo below is also an European (probably Solingen) trade blade. | 
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|  25th June 2024, 10:22 AM | #6 | |
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 Several examples of carabela handles and crosspieces | |
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|  25th June 2024, 01:13 PM | #7 | 
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			Hi, Here is an identified Persian trade blade of mine for comparison. Hope this is of some use. Regards, Norman. | 
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