Qalatchoori sword

ariel · 3rd July 2006, 08:39 PM

I keep bumping into this name time and time again. Usually, it comes up in connection to the Ottoman Kilij, because Qalatchoori allegedly had a yelman. It had also been noted that the Qalatchoori mentioned by Ferdowsi is (or might have been ) different from the later one.
It is like a unicorn: everybody knows how it looks , but nobody had ever seen it....
Does anybody here on the Forum know some actual facts about this sword and perhaps ( just perhaps!! ) owns one?

S.Al-Anizi · 3rd July 2006, 11:28 PM

Im sure I read that word in "Islamic Arms and Armour", the fancy catalogue.

ariel · 4th July 2006, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by S.Al-Anizi

Im sure I read that word in "Islamic Arms and Armour", the fancy catalogue.

That's the problem: the name pops up all the time, but nobody explains what it is!

ariel · 10th July 2006, 12:42 AM

Since it is mentioned by Ferdowsi, I guess it must be a very old, Turkic, Uzbeki-type sword.
I have a pseudoshashka (Central Asian, Afghani/Uzbeki) with a strange blade. It was already posted here years ago, but I'd like to bring it back: perhaps, somebody can add useful guesses.
Instead of the classic Shashka blade, this one has "Indian Ricasso"-like feature, Yelman and a remarkable narrowing of the blade toward the point. The last feature looks just like Tatar swords (from Poland/Lithuania) or like archeological examples of ancient Migration era swords. Kind of "dinosauric" feature. Please, look at the pics, show them around to your friends who are into this area of research. Perhaps, we stumbled upon something really important.

Jim McDougall · Yesterday, 04:47 PM

I wanted to bump this thread up as it seemed incredibly to have just ended without any real input. With renewed interest in Central Asian weapons here, this conundrum seemed worth looking into further.

While it seems Ariel has disappeared some years ago, these questions remain unanswered and hopefully some of those here who are interested in these topics might enter.

gp · Today, 12:51 PM

Islamic arms and armor in the Metropolitan Museum of Art
by David G. Alexander :

https://resources.metmuseum.org/reso...eum_of_Art.pdf

a most interesting 2nd book

The Book

The book is in two volume in one holder that con tains around (1200) pages, The first volume consists of two parts, the first deals with the historical stages of the development of various Islamic weapons during the carly, middle, and late Islamic periods .The sccond part includes weapon types that existed during the carly and middle periods which are part of this private collection, representing weapons from the Rashidi, Umavyad and Abbasid periods then covering the Ayyubid, Mamluk and Timurid eras, ending with the many representative types of the Ottoman period.

The second volume contains the third and fourth part of the book, which shows images of different examples of the other remaining part of the private Islamic weapons collection, which is from the mid and late Islamic periods, such as those of India. Persia, and the Arab world. The last section includes examples of swords produced by weapon makers during the late Islamic period.

The collection

The private collection which the book represents de scribes a (one thousand one) items of mostly unpubished Islamic Arms and Armour, that covered most of Islamic era's, some of the swords that the collection contain, belong to eight Sultan's and more than thirty Prince's, such as: The Sword of Sultan Naimuldin Ayyub, The Sword of Ottoman Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent, The Sword of Ottoman Sultan Mohammed Murad, The Sword of Mamluk Sultan Qaitabai, and more similar.

The collection has more than 135 names of Islamic swords and weapons makers. The quantity and the quality and sheer variety of this pri vate collection could possibly be the best known collee tion of Islamic swords and weapons

ISBN 9789948193654
Published Date 2022
Language English
Hardcover Number Of Pages 1200 Weight (kg) 7.0

gp · Today, 01:01 PM

Weapons of The Islamic World. Swords and Armour.
Islamic Arms/ Exhibition Catalogue.
Published by King Faisal Center For Research and Islamic Studies, Riyadh, 1991
Language: English

111 pp., + 116 colour illustrations, biblio, index, cloth in dust wrapper, copy in mint condition. An exhibition catalogue held at the Islamic Gallery in King Faisal Foundation Center. #30202.

3rd July 2006, 08:39 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Qalatchoori sword I keep bumping into this name time and time again. Usually, it comes up in connection to the Ottoman Kilij, because Qalatchoori allegedly had a yelman. It had also been noted that the Qalatchoori mentioned by Ferdowsi is (or might have been ) different from the later one. It is like a unicorn: everybody knows how it looks , but nobody had ever seen it.... Does anybody here on the Forum know some actual facts about this sword and perhaps ( just perhaps!! ) owns one?

10th July 2006, 12:42 AM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Since it is mentioned by Ferdowsi, I guess it must be a very old, Turkic, Uzbeki-type sword. I have a pseudoshashka (Central Asian, Afghani/Uzbeki) with a strange blade. It was already posted here years ago, but I'd like to bring it back: perhaps, somebody can add useful guesses. Instead of the classic Shashka blade, this one has "Indian Ricasso"-like feature, Yelman and a remarkable narrowing of the blade toward the point. The last feature looks just like Tatar swords (from Poland/Lithuania) or like archeological examples of ancient Migration era swords. Kind of "dinosauric" feature. Please, look at the pics, show them around to your friends who are into this area of research. Perhaps, we stumbled upon something really important. Attached Images

Yesterday, 04:47 PM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,670	QALATCHOORI I wanted to bump this thread up as it seemed incredibly to have just ended without any real input. With renewed interest in Central Asian weapons here, this conundrum seemed worth looking into further. While it seems Ariel has disappeared some years ago, these questions remain unanswered and hopefully some of those here who are interested in these topics might enter.

Today, 12:51 PM	#6
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 928	Islamic arms and armor in the Metropolitan Museum of Art by David G. Alexander : https://resources.metmuseum.org/reso...eum_of_Art.pdf a most interesting 2nd book The Book The book is in two volume in one holder that con tains around (1200) pages, The first volume consists of two parts, the first deals with the historical stages of the development of various Islamic weapons during the carly, middle, and late Islamic periods .The sccond part includes weapon types that existed during the carly and middle periods which are part of this private collection, representing weapons from the Rashidi, Umavyad and Abbasid periods then covering the Ayyubid, Mamluk and Timurid eras, ending with the many representative types of the Ottoman period. The second volume contains the third and fourth part of the book, which shows images of different examples of the other remaining part of the private Islamic weapons collection, which is from the mid and late Islamic periods, such as those of India. Persia, and the Arab world. The last section includes examples of swords produced by weapon makers during the late Islamic period. The collection The private collection which the book represents de scribes a (one thousand one) items of mostly unpubished Islamic Arms and Armour, that covered most of Islamic era's, some of the swords that the collection contain, belong to eight Sultan's and more than thirty Prince's, such as: The Sword of Sultan Naimuldin Ayyub, The Sword of Ottoman Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent, The Sword of Ottoman Sultan Mohammed Murad, The Sword of Mamluk Sultan Qaitabai, and more similar. The collection has more than 135 names of Islamic swords and weapons makers. The quantity and the quality and sheer variety of this pri vate collection could possibly be the best known collee tion of Islamic swords and weapons ISBN 9789948193654 Published Date 2022 Language English Hardcover Number Of Pages 1200 Weight (kg) 7.0 Attached Images

Today, 01:01 PM	#7
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 928	Weapons of The Islamic World. Swords and Armour. Islamic Arms/ Exhibition Catalogue. Published by King Faisal Center For Research and Islamic Studies, Riyadh, 1991 Language: English 111 pp., + 116 colour illustrations, biblio, index, cloth in dust wrapper, copy in mint condition. An exhibition catalogue held at the Islamic Gallery in King Faisal Foundation Center. #30202. Attached Images

3rd July 2006, 11:28 PM	#2
S.Al-Anizi Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arabia Posts: 278	Im sure I read that word in "Islamic Arms and Armour", the fancy catalogue.