Turkish Kilij for translation.

Sylektis · 6th April 2015, 01:27 PM

Hi friends,
I would appreciate if someone could translate the inscription on this kilj.
Turkish silver-gilt with marks, Reign Of Mahmud II (1223-1255 A.H. Corresponding To 1808-39 A.D.) Your comments also are welcome.

TVV · 6th April 2015, 05:23 PM

While we are waiting for Zifir or someone else to translate the inscriptions, I just wanted to thank you for sharing this superb kilidj. The blade looks like it could be earlier than the fittings: have you tried etching a small window to test for wootz or a mechanical pattern?

Regards,
Teodor

Sylektis · 6th April 2015, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TVV

have you tried etching a small window to test for wootz or a mechanical pattern?

Regards,
Teodor

No, Ι am afraid to do that. Furthermore already has sufficient corrosion thereon.

Battara · 6th April 2015, 11:49 PM

I agree that this is an early example. Also the hilt looks like it is made of rhino horn.

Nice kilij!

spiral · 16th April 2015, 11:30 PM

looks nice, a light etching would make sense to me... Just to see what it is made from...

Gavin Nugent · 17th April 2015, 02:06 PM

I too would leave this as is without an acid etch.
To etch a window would detract from the current fine old appeal.

Such a sword would more benefit from a professional polish if you wished to know the metal type and view it as new again, but as it sits, it is not required, it is a fine old sword of good quality.

Gavin

Roland_M · 5th May 2015, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sylektis

No, Ι am afraid to do that. Furthermore already has sufficient corrosion thereon.

This is a wise decision. I am sure, this blade is made from wootz. But the lightest kind of etching can destroy the decorations. A few months ago I killed golden remains on my german small sword, without direct contact to the etchant, just a few bubbles. My heart is still bleeding.
I would leave it as it is and only stop the corrosion.

This fantastic dream of a blade is too good for experiments.

Kind regards Roland

ALEX · 6th May 2015, 08:41 AM

I'd etch the blade. if done properly, it would not damage anything. but could reveal wootz pattern the way it was intended. Gold can be protected with light coat of nail polish and removed with acetone after the etch, but this is not even necessary if light etchant is used, just make sure to clean it carefully, and neutralize the acid with baking soda solution right after. Cleaning and etching gold-inlaid wootz blades was/is a common practice, when necessary, it just has to be done properly. I think this one would benefit from it.

Sylektis · 30th September 2016, 12:30 PM

I just wonder if there is one, after so long, to translate it.
Thank you all, anyway.

6th April 2015, 01:27 PM	#1
Sylektis Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 141	Turkish Kilij for translation. Hi friends, I would appreciate if someone could translate the inscription on this kilj. Turkish silver-gilt with marks, Reign Of Mahmud II (1223-1255 A.H. Corresponding To 1808-39 A.D.) Your comments also are welcome. Attached Images

6th April 2015, 05:23 PM	#2
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,724	While we are waiting for Zifir or someone else to translate the inscriptions, I just wanted to thank you for sharing this superb kilidj. The blade looks like it could be earlier than the fittings: have you tried etching a small window to test for wootz or a mechanical pattern? Regards, Teodor

6th April 2015, 11:49 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,342	I agree that this is an early example. Also the hilt looks like it is made of rhino horn. Nice kilij!

16th April 2015, 11:30 PM	#5
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	looks nice, a light etching would make sense to me... Just to see what it is made from...

17th April 2015, 02:06 PM	#6
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	I too would leave this as is without an acid etch. To etch a window would detract from the current fine old appeal. Such a sword would more benefit from a professional polish if you wished to know the metal type and view it as new again, but as it sits, it is not required, it is a fine old sword of good quality. Gavin

6th May 2015, 08:41 AM	#8
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	I'd etch the blade. if done properly, it would not damage anything. but could reveal wootz pattern the way it was intended. Gold can be protected with light coat of nail polish and removed with acetone after the etch, but this is not even necessary if light etchant is used, just make sure to clean it carefully, and neutralize the acid with baking soda solution right after. Cleaning and etching gold-inlaid wootz blades was/is a common practice, when necessary, it just has to be done properly. I think this one would benefit from it.

30th September 2016, 12:30 PM	#9
Sylektis Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 141	I just wonder if there is one, after so long, to translate it. Thank you all, anyway.