Bali keris pamor

henri · 19th April 2012, 06:24 AM

Dear members ,

This keris from Bali with a very smooth and black shining blade has a strange pamor on one side only .
Is that a mistake from the maker , is that a " fantasy " , or is that something we could classified ....
Thank you for your thoughts

Henri

Jean · 19th April 2012, 01:40 PM

Hello Henri,
Such a unsymmetrical pamor is called pamor tangkis, see examples on Google.
Regards

Sajen · 19th April 2012, 03:43 PM

Hello Henri,

best and shortest explanation you will find here: "Tangkis- a means of warding off, or a shield; a blade is said to have pamor tangkis when
it carries a different pamor motif on each of its blade faces, and this is considered to be a talisman against black magic."

It is a citation from a site of a member here but by some reason don't want to provide the link.

BTW, nice blade!

Regards,

Detlef

David · 19th April 2012, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

"Tangkis- a means of warding off, or a shield; a blade is said to have pamor tangkis when
it carries a different pamor motif on each of its blade faces, and this is considered to be a talisman against black magic."

This has always been my understanding of the definition of "tangkis". It is not the name of a specific pamor pattern per se, but when there is a different pamor on each side of the blade. I am not sure that this Henri's blade qualifies for the category since there seems to be no pamor on one side.

I could be wrong, but his appears to be an accidental pamor. Such pamors are usually considered special due to their accidental nature i believe.

Sajen · 19th April 2012, 04:41 PM

I am not very sure as well David, of course, one side is kelengan, the other side have pamor. Think it's still pamor tangkis.

Regards,

Detlef

Jean · 19th April 2012, 08:08 PM

Yeah, I agree that this is a borderline case because of the pamor kelengan and just a pamor motif on the other side, and tangkis is a javanese name AFAIK. The odd pamor motif seems original and not accidental from the pictures, but a closer inspection could reveal the contrary. The blade looks original and old.
Regards

19th April 2012, 06:24 AM	#1
henri Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 81	Bali keris pamor Dear members , This keris from Bali with a very smooth and black shining blade has a strange pamor on one side only . Is that a mistake from the maker , is that a " fantasy " , or is that something we could classified .... Thank you for your thoughts Henri Attached Images

19th April 2012, 01:40 PM	#2
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello Henri, Such a unsymmetrical pamor is called pamor tangkis, see examples on Google. Regards

19th April 2012, 03:43 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,409	Hello Henri, best and shortest explanation you will find here: "Tangkis- a means of warding off, or a shield; a blade is said to have pamor tangkis when it carries a different pamor motif on each of its blade faces, and this is considered to be a talisman against black magic." It is a citation from a site of a member here but by some reason don't want to provide the link. BTW, nice blade! Regards, Detlef

19th April 2012, 04:41 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,409	I am not very sure as well David, of course, one side is kelengan, the other side have pamor. Think it's still pamor tangkis. Regards, Detlef

19th April 2012, 08:08 PM	#6
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Yeah, I agree that this is a borderline case because of the pamor kelengan and just a pamor motif on the other side, and tangkis is a javanese name AFAIK. The odd pamor motif seems original and not accidental from the pictures, but a closer inspection could reveal the contrary. The blade looks original and old. Regards