Yataghan or bayonet?

Emanuel · 13th November 2006, 11:11 PM

Hello,

I wanted to bid on this yataghan but the seller ended the listing early: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...0447&rd=1&rd=1

It has a yataghan hilt, some sort of European cross-guard and a yataghan blade with a fuller that makes it look like the French Chassepot bayonet. Any ideas as to its origin?

Emanuel

Rick · 13th November 2006, 11:21 PM

Looks like a rehilted bayonet.

Ian · 14th November 2006, 01:37 AM

Hi Manolo:

I agree with Rick -- probably a rehilted bayonet.

When I saw your sword my first thought was the British P1856/1858 bayonet with the "button" finials on the guard. Although close, your blade has a T-spine, the fuller on your blade is wrong, and your sword seems to have a wider and less tapering blade than the British P1856 bayonet.

Unfortunately my bayonet references are buried deep in my study and I can't access them easily -- not a current passion.

But I will keep looking. In the meanwhile, here is a picture of a British P1856:

http://arms2armor.com/Bayonets/brit1856.htm

Ian.

Emanuel · 14th November 2006, 03:09 AM

Rick, Ian, I thank you both.

You confirm my thoughts of a bayonet. I was unaware of the British patterns however, and only knew the French ones

. It seems many countries adopted this yataghan-type blade.

Thanks for the link Ian, it's quite helpful...I'll start my own research into these bayonets as well, they're damn beautiful I think.
Now why would anyone rehilt these in yataghan fashion? Was this a common practice at some point, or is it just to deceive unweary buyers?

Regards,
Emanuel

TVV · 14th November 2006, 03:46 AM

Could it be a Martini-Henry M1871 bayonet? The Ottomans were armed with this model during the Russo-Turkish War of 1877-78. I could not find a good picture of this bayonet and hopefully DD can help. What I can say with certainty is that it is neither a Chassepot, nor a Snider bayonet, nor a bayonet for the 1874 Martini-Peabody rifle.

Ian · 14th November 2006, 04:43 AM

Michael:

AKAIK the only Martini bayonet that had a recurved "yataghan" style blade is P1860, which seems to be a direct descendant of the P1856/P1858 that I mentioned above. The P1860 was certainly adapted for use on the Martini-Henry Mk I M1871. Again, the same features that I mentioned above for the P1856/P1858 are different from Manolo's sword.

There is a nice web site on Martini bayonets here: http://www.martinihenry.com/bayonets.htm

ian.

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Originally Posted by TVV

Could it be a Martini-Henry M1871 bayonet? The Ottomans were armed with this model during the Russo-Turkish War of 1877-78. I could not find a good picture of this bayonet and hopefully DD can help. What I can say with certainty is that it is neither a Chassepot, nor a Snider bayonet, nor a bayonet for the 1874 Martini-Peabody rifle.

13th November 2006, 11:11 PM	#1
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Yataghan or bayonet? Hello, I wanted to bid on this yataghan but the seller ended the listing early: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...0447&rd=1&rd=1 It has a yataghan hilt, some sort of European cross-guard and a yataghan blade with a fuller that makes it look like the French Chassepot bayonet. Any ideas as to its origin? Emanuel Attached Images

14th November 2006, 01:37 AM	#3
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,513	Looks like a rehilted bayonet Hi Manolo: I agree with Rick -- probably a rehilted bayonet. When I saw your sword my first thought was the British P1856/1858 bayonet with the "button" finials on the guard. Although close, your blade has a T-spine, the fuller on your blade is wrong, and your sword seems to have a wider and less tapering blade than the British P1856 bayonet. Unfortunately my bayonet references are buried deep in my study and I can't access them easily -- not a current passion. But I will keep looking. In the meanwhile, here is a picture of a British P1856: http://arms2armor.com/Bayonets/brit1856.htm Ian.

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13th November 2006, 11:21 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Looks like a rehilted bayonet.

14th November 2006, 03:09 AM	#4
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Rick, Ian, I thank you both. You confirm my thoughts of a bayonet. I was unaware of the British patterns however, and only knew the French ones . It seems many countries adopted this yataghan-type blade. Thanks for the link Ian, it's quite helpful...I'll start my own research into these bayonets as well, they're damn beautiful I think. Now why would anyone rehilt these in yataghan fashion? Was this a common practice at some point, or is it just to deceive unweary buyers? Regards, Emanuel

14th November 2006, 03:46 AM	#5
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,724	Could it be a Martini-Henry M1871 bayonet? The Ottomans were armed with this model during the Russo-Turkish War of 1877-78. I could not find a good picture of this bayonet and hopefully DD can help. What I can say with certainty is that it is neither a Chassepot, nor a Snider bayonet, nor a bayonet for the 1874 Martini-Peabody rifle.