Keris sword (Not a keris)

[Anthony G.]

Hi

I am going to get this item. And I got questions to ask out of curiosity.

1: Is the sword modified from an existing keris bilah?

2: This is lombok type of keris sword?

3: Is the bilah a former keris?

[A. G. Maisey]

No Anthony, based upon what I believe I can see in the photo, this blade has been made to incorporate characteristics that are usually found in a keris, but in my opinion it is not a keris blade that has been altered.

However, if microscopic examination of the blade edges of the curve show distortion and/or cracking, then alteration might need to be considered.

Yes, it is Lombok, where it would be called a klewang.

[Anthony G.]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

No Anthony, based upon what I believe I can see in the photo, this blade has been made to incorporate characteristics that are usually found in a keris, but in my opinion it is not a keris blade that has been altered.

However, if microscopic examination of the blade edges of the curve show distortion and/or cracking, then alteration might need to be considered.

Yes, it is Lombok, where it would be called a klewang.

Hi Alan,

Thanks for the valuable advice/info.

I also attached more photos with edge pictures.

[milandro]

forgive my ignorance, but is is this not a Javanese Pedang Lurus ?

We see a fair amount of such blades in there Netherlands.

If this is what I think it is the blade is not a repurposed kris blade but a specially made blade, slightly curved and the only similarity is the pamor (which is not unique to krises)


http://atkinson-swords.com/collectio.../pedang-lurus/

[satsujinken]

Originally Posted by milandro

forgive my ignorance, but is is this not a Javanese Pedang Lurus ?

We see a fair amount of such blades in there Netherlands.

If this is what I think it is the blade is not a repurposed kris blade but a specially made blade, slightly curved and the only similarity is the pamor (which is not unique to krises)


http://atkinson-swords.com/collectio.../pedang-lurus/

nope, it is not

the dress is clearly Lombok, and the hilt is of Garuda Mungkur type, though heavily stylized to obscure the "animal shape" and to look more floral

and pedang lurus is truly odd name, as it was literally means "straight sword"

we did not use the terms "pedang lurus" here ... I think it was a mistranslation somewhere when Indonesian sword terminology got there

Javanese basically knew two type of swords, called pedang sabet (slashing sword) and pedang suduk (stabbing sword)

[milandro]

Originally Posted by satsujinken

and pedang lurus is truly odd name, as it was literally means "straight sword"

we did not use the terms "pedang lurus" here ... I think it was a mistranslation somewhere when Indonesian sword terminology got there

Thanks , always ready to learn something new

About " there" and its whereabouts.

I am not sure where " there" is though....the word Pedang Lurus is used in 47 previous threads ( 48 with this now) on the fora of vikingsword, and on line even some Indonesian sites use it, next to many auction houses around the world.

In Indonesia it may have a general meaning ut its use, incorrect though it is, is very well established, I think, from what I see .

[satsujinken]

Originally Posted by Anthony G.

Hi

I am going to get this item. And I got questions to ask out of curiosity.

1: Is the sword modified from an existing keris bilah?

2: This is lombok type of keris sword?

3: Is the bilah a former keris?

1. nope, it is originally made like that

2. yes

3. no

though the dress type is commonly found in Kelewang, I disagree that this was a kelewang

the existence of sogokan is the proof that this one is a variant of Sundrik

not the commonly seen, but not kelewang in my opinion

see the comparison specimen on the photo - belonged to a friend in Mataram

[Anthony G.]

Originally Posted by satsujinken

1. nope, it is originally made like that

2. yes

3. no

though the dress type is commonly found in Kelewang, I disagree that this was a kelewang

the existence of sogokan is the proof that this one is a variant of Sundrik

not the commonly seen, but not kelewang in my opinion

see the comparison specimen on the photo - belonged to a friend in Mataram

Thanks for sharing, it was interesting.