Help with yatagans' inscriptions

ariel · 15th October 2012, 02:51 AM

The one with the T-handle is a Zeibek one, IMHO.
http://www.timsah.com/Zeybek-Dance-COKERTME/nTVV0PBAXku

TVV · 15th October 2012, 08:55 PM

Zifir,

Thank you very much for the translations. The yataghans in posts 55 & 56 were similar in terms of their decoration, and were made in a span of 4 years, but as we now know thanks to your translation, by different smiths. Also, thank you for cinfirming my suspicions about the inscripions on the modern Indian daggers: it must indeed be difficult for contemporary kotgari artists to copy old inscriptions.

Ariel, good observation on the T-shaped hilt. I have always assumed that it is an Anatolian feature, but now you have linked it more specifically to the southern parts of Asia Minor, facing the Aegean. I am sure that period photos, if any come up, will further confirm this. I am assuming you were referring to the yataghan in post 17, since it is the only one in this thread with this type of hilt.

Many thanks to everyone again,
Teodor

TVV · 19th March 2013, 06:22 PM

Here is another one for translation, many thanks in advance to Ziir or anyone else who attempt to unlock the meaning of the inscriptions.

Teodor

TVV · 23rd March 2013, 06:33 PM

Better pictures uploaded.

Zifir · 29th March 2013, 02:57 PM

Teodor,
Translation as promised and sorry for the delay.

Best,

TVV · 30th March 2013, 07:23 PM

Zifir, thank you very much! Interesting inscription. On the second picture, which word means sword, as I do not see kilic anywhere?

Teodor

Zifir · 31st March 2013, 08:54 PM

The Ottoman word is "tiğ-ı teber" which I translated as sword. "Tiğ" or "tegh" is a Persian word for sword, much used by the Ottomans especially in poems. "Teber" or "tabar" is also a Persian word meaning "axe" or "axe shaped". The combination of these two is a curious one, probably an Ottoman literary invention, I translate it literally as "naked sword" but in the text I used sword instead. If there is anyone whose native language is Persian in the forum, I would also like to hear their opinion.

Best,

19th March 2013, 06:22 PM	#3
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,722	Here is another one for translation, many thanks in advance to Ziir or anyone else who attempt to unlock the meaning of the inscriptions. Teodor Attached Images

23rd March 2013, 06:33 PM	#4
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,722	Better pictures uploaded. Attached Images

29th March 2013, 02:57 PM	#5
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	Teodor, Translation as promised and sorry for the delay. Best, Attached Images

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15th October 2012, 02:51 AM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The one with the T-handle is a Zeibek one, IMHO. http://www.timsah.com/Zeybek-Dance-COKERTME/nTVV0PBAXku

15th October 2012, 08:55 PM	#2
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,722	Zifir, Thank you very much for the translations. The yataghans in posts 55 & 56 were similar in terms of their decoration, and were made in a span of 4 years, but as we now know thanks to your translation, by different smiths. Also, thank you for cinfirming my suspicions about the inscripions on the modern Indian daggers: it must indeed be difficult for contemporary kotgari artists to copy old inscriptions. Ariel, good observation on the T-shaped hilt. I have always assumed that it is an Anatolian feature, but now you have linked it more specifically to the southern parts of Asia Minor, facing the Aegean. I am sure that period photos, if any come up, will further confirm this. I am assuming you were referring to the yataghan in post 17, since it is the only one in this thread with this type of hilt. Many thanks to everyone again, Teodor

30th March 2013, 07:23 PM	#6
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,722	Zifir, thank you very much! Interesting inscription. On the second picture, which word means sword, as I do not see kilic anywhere? Teodor

31st March 2013, 08:54 PM	#7
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	The Ottoman word is "tiğ-ı teber" which I translated as sword. "Tiğ" or "tegh" is a Persian word for sword, much used by the Ottomans especially in poems. "Teber" or "tabar" is also a Persian word meaning "axe" or "axe shaped". The combination of these two is a curious one, probably an Ottoman literary invention, I translate it literally as "naked sword" but in the text I used sword instead. If there is anyone whose native language is Persian in the forum, I would also like to hear their opinion. Best,