17th century rapier with head stamp

Marcus den toom · 4th May 2022, 06:44 PM

I recently acquired this rapier which i gather is 17th century. There is a head shaped stamp on both sides of the blade which i can not identify.
Blade length is 83cm and total is 97cm.
Any help would be most welcome

Victrix · 4th May 2022, 07:33 PM

Congratulations on your acquisition. Staffan Kinman’s European Makers of Edged Weapons, Their Marks (2015) lists two Solingen smiths with marks consisting of Moorish heads: i) Johan (Johannis) Beugel 1648-1688 and ii) Peter the Elder Munsten zu Elberfeld 1552-1628.

Radboud · 4th May 2022, 10:04 PM

Great looking sword, but technically not a rapier. More of a broad sword with a mortuary or walloon style hilt/guard.

Victrix · 5th May 2022, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Radboud

Great looking sword, but technically not a rapier. More of a broad sword with a mortuary or walloon style hilt/guard.

True. These type of swords have many names like Felddegen, Reiterdegen, Walloon sword, etc.

werecow · 5th May 2022, 11:47 PM

I'll add haudegen, just to expand the set. }|:oP

Marcus den toom · 10th May 2022, 10:54 AM

Thank you all for your insights, does anyone also have this specific makers mark in a reference book for me please?

kronckew · 11th May 2022, 08:44 AM

They would have called it a Sword. Modern useage would call it an 'arming' or 'one-handed' sword. Broadsword (as one word) is more used for Scottish basket hilted double edged swords.

Victrix · 11th May 2022, 08:04 PM

See post #2 above. Kinman’s book is highly recommended.

midelburgo · 19th May 2022, 11:27 PM

Sword is being auctioned from tomorrow at noon.

4th May 2022, 06:44 PM	#1
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 540	17th century rapier with head stamp I recently acquired this rapier which i gather is 17th century. There is a head shaped stamp on both sides of the blade which i can not identify. Blade length is 83cm and total is 97cm. Any help would be most welcome Attached Images

11th May 2022, 08:04 PM	#8
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 763	See post #2 above. Kinman’s book is highly recommended. Attached Images

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4th May 2022, 07:33 PM	#2
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 763	Congratulations on your acquisition. Staffan Kinman’s European Makers of Edged Weapons, Their Marks (2015) lists two Solingen smiths with marks consisting of Moorish heads: i) Johan (Johannis) Beugel 1648-1688 and ii) Peter the Elder Munsten zu Elberfeld 1552-1628.

4th May 2022, 10:04 PM	#3
Radboud Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: New Zealand Posts: 298	Great looking sword, but technically not a rapier. More of a broad sword with a mortuary or walloon style hilt/guard.

5th May 2022, 11:47 PM	#5
werecow Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Leiden, NL Posts: 617	I'll add haudegen, just to expand the set. }\|:oP

10th May 2022, 10:54 AM	#6
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 540	Thank you all for your insights, does anyone also have this specific makers mark in a reference book for me please?

11th May 2022, 08:44 AM	#7
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	They would have called it a Sword. Modern useage would call it an 'arming' or 'one-handed' sword. Broadsword (as one word) is more used for Scottish basket hilted double edged swords.

19th May 2022, 11:27 PM	#9
midelburgo Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 275	Sword is being auctioned from tomorrow at noon.