Jineta European sword

okiemoss · 25th January 2021, 11:14 PM

I understand from my research, up to this point, that this is likely a reproduction, similar to ones I have seen of the Don Juan of Austria sword. I would like to know more about it, especially if someone is familiar with the SB and crown stamped into the blade bc I’ve yet to learn anything about it. Thanks

fernando · 26th January 2021, 12:19 PM

Welcome to the forum, okiemoss

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I would not doubt this is a replica, but other members may confirm. These Jinetas were brought to the Peninsula by the Moors during their occupation.
You can see some threads and posts on these swords if you use the "Search" button on the top of the page.
Meanwhile you may have a look to this real example, attributed to Ali Atar (circa 1450) a Nasrid military leader, father in law of famous Boabdil, the last King of Granada.

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Fernando K · 26th January 2021, 03:11 PM

Hello

Without being an expert, just look at the definition of the decoration, and the perfection of the punches to realize that it is a modern reproduction,

Affectionately

fernando · 26th January 2021, 03:23 PM

It is clear that the decoration is 'Spanishized'. Even the inscription is written in Latin alphabet senseless (?) wording. But that is something i left to okiemoss to see by himself

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okiemoss · 26th January 2021, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

Welcome to the forum, okiemoss

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I would not doubt this is a replica, but other members may confirm. These Jinetas were brought to the Peninsula by the Moors during their occupation.
You can see some threads and posts on these swords if you use the "Search" button on the top of the page.
Meanwhile you may have a look to this real example, attributed to Ali Atar (circa 1450) a Nasrid military leader, father in law of famous Boabdil, the last King of Granada.

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Yes I read through a couple really good threads about jineta/boabdil swords

okiemoss · 26th January 2021, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fernando K

Hello

Without being an expert, just look at the definition of the decoration, and the perfection of the punches to realize that it is a modern reproduction,

Affectionately

I wish I would have learned all these things before I encountered this sword lol. What do you mean by perfect punches? To me it looks quite antiquated compared to the other acero de Hispania replicas I’ve seen but I imagine they’ve made replicas for many years? The guy who I bought it off of said his grandfather got it in Europe many years ago

Philip · 26th January 2021, 11:34 PM

Those markings in the blade fullers ring a bell, I've seen them before... Like on military manufacture from early- mid 20th cent. Spain -- Fábrica Nacional de Toledo, or the Santa Bárbara arsenal at La Coruña.

fernando · 27th January 2021, 11:04 AM

okiemoss, it has now been estblished that, as you expected, your sword is a 20th century replica.
As you have noticed by reading about this forum scope (purpose) in the front page, we don't basically discuss this kind of items.
We will be glad to discuss antique pieces that you might have in your collection whenever you find the right occasion.
Keep safe.

Gonzoadler · 27th January 2021, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Philip

Those markings in the blade fullers ring a bell, I've seen them before... Like on military manufacture from early- mid 20th cent. Spain -- Fábrica Nacional de Toledo, or the Santa Bárbara arsenal at La Coruña.

You are right, I have a Spanish bayonet M1941 with the same marking.
For my personal taste it is a nice and decorative reproduction and no junk. It seems to have some age, maybe it was made in the second third of the 20th century.

Regards
Robin

fernando · 27th January 2021, 02:50 PM

... As per my post #8

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See HERE .

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okiemoss · 28th January 2021, 03:17 PM

Thanks for everyone’s help getting to the bottom of it. Already considering buying another, but I’m gonna do my homework first this time

25th January 2021, 11:14 PM	#1
okiemoss Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 7	Jineta European sword I understand from my research, up to this point, that this is likely a reproduction, similar to ones I have seen of the Don Juan of Austria sword. I would like to know more about it, especially if someone is familiar with the SB and crown stamped into the blade bc I’ve yet to learn anything about it. Thanks Attached Images

26th January 2021, 12:19 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Welcome to the forum, okiemoss . I would not doubt this is a replica, but other members may confirm. These Jinetas were brought to the Peninsula by the Moors during their occupation. You can see some threads and posts on these swords if you use the "Search" button on the top of the page. Meanwhile you may have a look to this real example, attributed to Ali Atar (circa 1450) a Nasrid military leader, father in law of famous Boabdil, the last King of Granada. . Attached Images Last edited by fernando; 26th January 2021 at 12:38 PM.

26th January 2021, 03:23 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	It is clear that the decoration is 'Spanishized'. Even the inscription is written in Latin alphabet senseless (?) wording. But that is something i left to okiemoss to see by himself . . Attached Images

27th January 2021, 02:50 PM	#10
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	SCOPE OF THE FORUM ... ... As per my post #8 . See HERE . . Last edited by fernando; 27th January 2021 at 03:10 PM.

28th January 2021, 03:17 PM	#11
okiemoss Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 7	Thanks for everyone’s help getting to the bottom of it. Already considering buying another, but I’m gonna do my homework first this time Attached Images

26th January 2021, 03:11 PM	#3
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 672	Hello Without being an expert, just look at the definition of the decoration, and the perfection of the punches to realize that it is a modern reproduction, Affectionately

26th January 2021, 11:34 PM	#7
Philip Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,036	Those markings in the blade fullers ring a bell, I've seen them before... Like on military manufacture from early- mid 20th cent. Spain -- Fábrica Nacional de Toledo, or the Santa Bárbara arsenal at La Coruña.

27th January 2021, 11:04 AM	#8
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	okiemoss, it has now been estblished that, as you expected, your sword is a 20th century replica. As you have noticed by reading about this forum scope (purpose) in the front page, we don't basically discuss this kind of items. We will be glad to discuss antique pieces that you might have in your collection whenever you find the right occasion. Keep safe.