interesting sword

chevalier · 20th August 2008, 02:33 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=150282611722

labeled as persian. however from seeing the hilt, i think its mooroccan.

ariel · 20th August 2008, 02:35 AM

Agree: Moroccan Jiboula.
And as for it's age

TVV · 20th August 2008, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chevalier

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=150282611722

labeled as persian. however from seeing the hilt, i think its mooroccan.

I thought the same thing, yet I am not sure. The hilt looks like the mysterious sboula from Morocco (I think we agreed on that as opposed to Zanzibar). The blade looks like it has been shortened. I too would love to learn more about this item.

chevalier · 20th August 2008, 03:10 AM

somehow i dont think its 700 years old.

Jim McDougall · 20th August 2008, 05:14 AM

The shape of these hilts with symmetrical pommel and crossguard are of the form that are shown in Burton's "Book of the Sword" (1884, p.166) and referred to as 'Zanzibar' swords. Apparantly that reference was taken from an earlier work by Demmin in France, and Charles Buttin (Rummilly, 1933) cites this error, noting that these short swords were actually s'boula from Morocco.

Mr. Buttin lived in Morocco for many years, and was of course well acquainted with the weaponry there, showing several examples of these in his collection published in 1933.

These swords do indeed appear through trade route locations as far as Zanzibar, and are minimally included in groupings of weapons of Ethiopia, often carrying Amharic inscriptions. These are believed to be versions of these type weapons fashioned by the Falashas, tribal armourers for the Amharic rulers.

This example listed laughably as a Persian short sword tulwar

is clearly NOT 600 or 700 years old! and a munitions grade interpretation of these 19th century Moroccan swords that appears crudely refurbished 20th century work.

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20th August 2008, 02:35 AM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Agree: Moroccan Jiboula. And as for it's age

20th August 2008, 03:10 AM	#4
chevalier Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 119	somehow i dont think its 700 years old.

20th August 2008, 05:14 AM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,660	The shape of these hilts with symmetrical pommel and crossguard are of the form that are shown in Burton's "Book of the Sword" (1884, p.166) and referred to as 'Zanzibar' swords. Apparantly that reference was taken from an earlier work by Demmin in France, and Charles Buttin (Rummilly, 1933) cites this error, noting that these short swords were actually s'boula from Morocco. Mr. Buttin lived in Morocco for many years, and was of course well acquainted with the weaponry there, showing several examples of these in his collection published in 1933. These swords do indeed appear through trade route locations as far as Zanzibar, and are minimally included in groupings of weapons of Ethiopia, often carrying Amharic inscriptions. These are believed to be versions of these type weapons fashioned by the Falashas, tribal armourers for the Amharic rulers. This example listed laughably as a Persian short sword tulwar is clearly NOT 600 or 700 years old! and a munitions grade interpretation of these 19th century Moroccan swords that appears crudely refurbished 20th century work.