Philippine yataghan??

ariel · 11th January 2019, 12:02 AM

I do not know much about Philippine weapons, but am sure I have never seen anything like that.
Doesn't the blade look yataghan-ish?
Had it not been for the pommel, I would have thought it was a late 19th century yataghan.

Am I imagining?

Ian · 11th January 2019, 12:35 AM

Hi Ariel:

This appears to be an Ilokano piece from N. Luzon. It probably falls into the general category of a dahong palay, a well recognized Ilokano blade form that has been discussed on this forum a number of times. Perhaps it is the angle of the picture that gives it a somewhat yataghan shape, but usually the width of the blade is uniform up to the area where it narrows to a central point.

Ian.

ariel · 11th January 2019, 02:31 AM

Thanks Ian.
Now I am content: no yataghans in Luzon.

xasterix · 11th January 2019, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian

Hi Ariel:

This appears to be an Ilokano piece from N. Luzon. It probably falls into the general category of a dahong palay, a well recognized Ilokano blade form that has been discussed on this forum a number of times. Perhaps it is the angle of the picture that gives it a somewhat yataghan shape, but usually the width of the blade is uniform up to the area where it narrows to a central point.

Ian.

Strongly agree, definitely a dahongpalay (or dinahong-palay, depends on which area classifies it). And yes, agree that it's from Ilocos, most likely Santa, Ilocos Sur.

RobT · 14th January 2019, 06:19 PM

Hi All,

Would these two Philippine short swords qualify as having yataghan blades?

Sincerely,
RobT

Ian · 14th January 2019, 10:34 PM

Hi Rob:

These are two recurved knives/swords, and resemble a yataghan in that way, but I think that is where the similarity ends. Recurved blades are found in many cultures, probably reflecting parallel development. The yataghan is one of many examples.

Ian.

CharlesS · 14th January 2019, 10:43 PM

I believe recurved bayonets were also all the rage for a short while in the mid 19th century. Perhaps some influence from those???... though I am unaware of what bayonets the Filipinos would have seen from armies like the US, Spanish and perhaps even the Dutch.

Battara · 15th January 2019, 12:06 AM

If I am not mistaken, the yataghan form bayonets came in the 19th century influenced from the French bayonets, which themselves influenced by the yataghans from the Ottomans. I would not be surprised that they influenced the rest of the West, including Spain.

But also agree with Ian in that many cultures come up with similar designs.

11th January 2019, 12:02 AM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Philippine yataghan?? I do not know much about Philippine weapons, but am sure I have never seen anything like that. Doesn't the blade look yataghan-ish? Had it not been for the pommel, I would have thought it was a late 19th century yataghan. Am I imagining? Attached Images

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Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,513	Hi Ariel: This appears to be an Ilokano piece from N. Luzon. It probably falls into the general category of a dahong palay, a well recognized Ilokano blade form that has been discussed on this forum a number of times. Perhaps it is the angle of the picture that gives it a somewhat yataghan shape, but usually the width of the blade is uniform up to the area where it narrows to a central point. Ian. Last edited by Ian; 11th January 2019 at 12:55 AM.

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RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 568	Philippine Yataghans? Hi All, Would these two Philippine short swords qualify as having yataghan blades? Sincerely, RobT Attached Images

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11th January 2019, 02:31 AM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Thanks Ian. Now I am content: no yataghans in Luzon.

14th January 2019, 10:34 PM	#6
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,513	Hi Rob: These are two recurved knives/swords, and resemble a yataghan in that way, but I think that is where the similarity ends. Recurved blades are found in many cultures, probably reflecting parallel development. The yataghan is one of many examples. Ian.

14th January 2019, 10:43 PM	#7
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	I believe recurved bayonets were also all the rage for a short while in the mid 19th century. Perhaps some influence from those???... though I am unaware of what bayonets the Filipinos would have seen from armies like the US, Spanish and perhaps even the Dutch.

15th January 2019, 12:06 AM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,342	If I am not mistaken, the yataghan form bayonets came in the 19th century influenced from the French bayonets, which themselves influenced by the yataghans from the Ottomans. I would not be surprised that they influenced the rest of the West, including Spain. But also agree with Ian in that many cultures come up with similar designs.