Blucher Sabre?

Lee · 14th December 2018, 07:15 PM

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Madnumforce · 15th December 2018, 12:55 AM

The blade markings are French, but the hilt is germanic. I guess the blade is from a captured 1822, that has been rehilted at some point.

Jim McDougall · 16th December 2018, 05:54 PM

Well noted Madnum.
The M1811 Blucher Sabel was designed after the British M1796 light cavalry sabre, and remained in use for many years, with the form carried into later models of stirrup hilt swords used by the Germans.

The use of what is clearly a French made blade seems unusual, but hardly unexpected in extended use of these swords. The markings on the guard of the hilt and throat of the scabbard reflect such extended use.

The RAMK likely are for Reserve Artillery Munitions Kolonne and a unit number, the last numeral a rack number. The cancelled RA would be probably a reserve artillery unit. Again the far right a rack number.

corrado26 · 17th December 2018, 08:36 AM

The R.A.M.K. stamp is from the times of the First World War documenting how long these sabres have been in use, the cancelled stamp however is of the Reserve-Artillery Regiment N°6 between 1870 and 1914.
But the both "R"s are written in a different style. Normally the "R" in italics stands for "Reserve", the normal "R" however should stand for "Regiment". So the "R.A.M.K. 15" should be red as Artillery Regiment N°15 Munitions-Kolonne.
corrado26

Jim McDougall · 17th December 2018, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by corrado26

The R.A.M.K. stamp is from the times of the First World War documenting how long these sabres have been in use, the cancelled stamp however is of the Reserve-Artillery Regiment N°6 between 1870 and 1914.
But the both "R"s are written in a different style. Normally the "R" in italics stands for "Reserve", the normal "R" however should stand for "Regiment". So the "R.A.M.K. 15" should be red as Artillery Regiment N°15 Munitions-Kolonne.
corrado26

Corrado, thank you for the further insight into these markings, I was using my trusty 'Hughes & Fox' which is comprehensive but very cursory. Your notes further reveal how incredibly long these weapons remained in use.

Lee · 18th December 2018, 05:21 PM

and the additional promised images...

Lee · 18th December 2018, 05:22 PM

and more

corrado26 · 18th December 2018, 05:49 PM

This is not a Bluecher cavalry sword, but the Prussian Artilley Sword n/A, its scabbard just has one fixed ring whereas the Bluecher has two movable rings
corrado26

14th December 2018, 07:15 PM	#1
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 970	Blucher Sabre? Images received from a non-registered reader. More images on their way... Attached Images

16th December 2018, 05:54 PM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,670	Well noted Madnum. The M1811 Blucher Sabel was designed after the British M1796 light cavalry sabre, and remained in use for many years, with the form carried into later models of stirrup hilt swords used by the Germans. The use of what is clearly a French made blade seems unusual, but hardly unexpected in extended use of these swords. The markings on the guard of the hilt and throat of the scabbard reflect such extended use. The RAMK likely are for Reserve Artillery Munitions Kolonne and a unit number, the last numeral a rack number. The cancelled RA would be probably a reserve artillery unit. Again the far right a rack number. Attached Images Last edited by Jim McDougall; 17th December 2018 at 02:04 AM.

18th December 2018, 05:21 PM	#6
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 970	and the additional promised images and the additional promised images... Attached Images

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15th December 2018, 12:55 AM	#2
Madnumforce Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 28	The blade markings are French, but the hilt is germanic. I guess the blade is from a captured 1822, that has been rehilted at some point.

17th December 2018, 08:36 AM	#4
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,240	The R.A.M.K. stamp is from the times of the First World War documenting how long these sabres have been in use, the cancelled stamp however is of the Reserve-Artillery Regiment N°6 between 1870 and 1914. But the both "R"s are written in a different style. Normally the "R" in italics stands for "Reserve", the normal "R" however should stand for "Regiment". So the "R.A.M.K. 15" should be red as Artillery Regiment N°15 Munitions-Kolonne. corrado26

18th December 2018, 05:49 PM	#8
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,240	This is not a Bluecher cavalry sword, but the Prussian Artilley Sword n/A, its scabbard just has one fixed ring whereas the Bluecher has two movable rings corrado26