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Old 18th June 2023, 02:35 AM   #8
A. G. Maisey
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I take the sirah cecak as the primary indicator from an above view, secondary indicator from above I look at the overall profile.

From a side view I consider length first.

If we suspect Tuban from a side view, then we definitely look at the sirah cecak first from above.
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