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					Originally Posted by Ian
					
				 
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As I mentioned, several authorities speak of the haladie. Stone has this entry: It seems that this form may not be of the "parrying shield" class, but used differently as rather a fancy knife. 
			
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 Yes I agree and as I mentionned previously the saintie is not one weapon but a group of weapons including the short spear and the haladie, used with a shield
I think the madu is just the combination saintie + shield, all in one.