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					Originally Posted by Kubur
					
				 
				Hi Jim, 
 
You will be happy: I dont see any tughra on this blade... do you? 
 
You have more imagination than me! 
 
I was talking about the real tughras on the silver... 
			
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Ahah!!! We have the dreaded miscommunication 

  I thought you were talking about the device on the blade as I had mentioned it did not look like a typical tughra.......so agreed, I dont see a 'conventional' tughra.
Now you are pointing out these features in the motif of the silvered material, which I think you might be regarding as 'hallmarks' (?) not tughras, am I correct? I cannot make them out (old eyes). I had not thought of tughras being placed as part of decorative motif in a hilt. 
It is often hard communicating these things in specialized terms and phrases which are essentially foreign (at least to me) so thank you for patience in getting on the same page.