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					Originally Posted by ALEX
					
				 
				Ladders on wootz are specifically made as "stand-alone", separate lines. With the above pattern, the ladders are not made as such. They are separators between the circular-shaped patterns.... now as I mentioned it: shall we call it a rose pattern?     
It is certainly a ladder effect, but I do not see an overlap apart from "appearance!" of a ladder. The techniques are totally different. Can this really be called a ladder pattern?  
			
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 Alex:     I really don't understand how on a wootz pattern a ladder is specifically made as "stand alone", but on a layer welded blade you call the lines "separators.  Seems to me they are doing the same thing, acting as ladders.  I would definitely call Archers tulwar a ladder-patterned blade.  If it were mine though I would give it a darker etch for better contrast.....Dave.