You know, if we really wanted to get this thing up and running, it might be useful to harvest from old posts as a beginning strategy. 
 
Its a simple thing to copy a pic, rework if necessary and then post again with a cross reference to the original post. 
 
Since Richard generated this idea of a dedicated thread, I feel that the honour of carrying out this harvest should go to Richard. 
 
I agree fully with David that this new thread should not degenerate into a bun fight over names, but I equally feel that where we have a name it should be given, however, not in isolation, but rather in a format that attaches the name to a source, for example:- 
 
" According to Harsrinuksmo , P.123, this is pamor ron kates." 
 
Any other opinions would be required to be posted in a similar format, that way we won't waste time and effort with endless conflicting opinions that have no solid foundation.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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