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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons Yesterday, 10:31 AM
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Posted By Ian
Thanks Xas. Unfortunately, this sword was bought...

Thanks Xas. Unfortunately, this sword was bought by somebody else! I dropped out early in the bidding. We will not know what the other side of the scabbard looks like.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 9th September 2024, 12:55 PM
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Posted By Ian
Hi xas, Here is another Sulu kalis of...

Hi xas,

Here is another Sulu kalis of roughly the same time period as yours. It sold at auction recently for a surprising high amount IMHO. It also shows shallow waves and edge hardening, with a...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 8th September 2024, 02:10 PM
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Views: 7,133
Posted By Ian
Not 100 years old. No more than 50 years and...

Not 100 years old. No more than 50 years and probably less than that. Hand held clubs are not prominent weapons among Australian indigenous groups. Spears and throwing sticks (boomerangs) were...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 5th September 2024, 02:41 PM
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Posted By Ian
Ray, I think your example is more marked than...

Ray, I think your example is more marked than many similar blades. Very shallow waves are a fairly common feature on some of the long, broad-bladed examples of the era you mentioned. I've seen them...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 3rd September 2024, 12:03 PM
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Views: 18,356
Posted By Ian
It's almost as though there has been an attempt...

It's almost as though there has been an attempt to obliterate the waves and convert it to a straight blade.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 3rd September 2024, 11:46 AM
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Posted By Ian
Nice example Jose. Your scabbard has a complete...

Nice example Jose. Your scabbard has a complete version of the one on mine. Another minimal kakatua pommel with "thick" overlapped wrapping on the grip.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 30th August 2024, 11:18 PM
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Views: 10,875
Posted By Ian
Hi Carlos. Excellent displays, both of them....

Hi Carlos.

Excellent displays, both of them. They seem to have been made by the same individual. Even the material covering the board looks the same. I have always liked these old displays and...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 30th August 2024, 07:08 PM
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Views: 8,617
Posted By Ian
Old Moro kris blade with Spanish(?) hilt

I have had this old kris for more than 20 years and may have posted it before on the defunct Vikingsword UBB forum. It is certainly incomplete and much corroded or damaged in the past. Nevertheless,...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 28th August 2024, 10:01 AM
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Views: 18,356
Posted By Ian
This is very important cultural context! I must...

This is very important cultural context! I must admit that I focus on the blade and less on the dress of Moro weapons, particularly kris.

Your point is very important with respect to the notion...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 28th August 2024, 03:15 AM
Replies: 19
Views: 16,490
Posted By Ian
Agree completely with you. There are typical...

Agree completely with you. There are typical Malayan sundang with asang asang/baka baka. I think that is what Detlef was also saying.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 27th August 2024, 10:31 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 11,075
Posted By Ian
Thanks Xas. AFAIK the only major Moro change in...

Thanks Xas. AFAIK the only major Moro change in the style of conflict of the late 19th/early 20th C was the increasing actions of those employing magsabil, who were called juramentados by the Spanish...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 27th August 2024, 10:25 AM
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Views: 16,490
Posted By Ian
Completely agree Detlef.

Completely agree Detlef.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 27th August 2024, 01:59 AM
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Views: 18,356
Posted By Ian
Hi Xas, I think I have commented previously...

Hi Xas,

I think I have commented previously about the similarities between Sulu and Malay kris.

The area that you highlight, in Javanese keris terms, is the greneng. (I don't know a Moro term...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 27th August 2024, 01:12 AM
Replies: 8
Views: 11,075
Posted By Ian
Xas, thank you the terminology. While it differs...

Xas, thank you the terminology. While it differs a little from what Robert Cato collected from his informants in the 1990s, I shall revise my data accordingly.

This is a difficult issue. I've...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 26th August 2024, 11:53 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 11,075
Posted By Ian
David, I agree completely. It would be very...

David, I agree completely. It would be very helpful to have the culturally appropriate terminology, and that could indeed give insights into how different features of the Moro kris have been absorbed...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 25th August 2024, 08:56 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 11,075
Posted By Ian
David, you raise a very good point. There likely...

David, you raise a very good point. There likely is more specific terminology in the original Moro cultures for the features that I have labeled with Indonesian terms. If I had a reliable lexicon for...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 25th August 2024, 08:24 PM
Replies: 7
Views: 12,105
Posted By Ian
IP, your blade looks as though it has literally...

IP, your blade looks as though it has literally been through the wars. There is certainly evidence of repeated sharpening and likely damage repairs. Given its fighting heritage, I would give it a...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 25th August 2024, 08:10 PM
Replies: 19
Views: 16,490
Posted By Ian
Hi Pendita65. Here is an example of the Melayu...

Hi Pendita65. Here is an example of the Melayu scabbard style for a keris. The wood at the toe is a light color. Ebony is more usual I believe.
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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 25th August 2024, 02:40 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 11,075
Posted By Ian
Two old Maguindanao kris--with some differences related to age

These two Moro kris are recent acquisitions and are still in "as found" condition. I'm posting them now in light of some recent discussion about the dating of Moro kris...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 25th August 2024, 06:30 AM
Replies: 7
Views: 12,105
Posted By Ian
Thanks Jim for getting the replies started on...

Thanks Jim for getting the replies started on this one. The blade does look typical NW India with a deep "bite" out of the edge just in front of the ricasso.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 25th August 2024, 06:24 AM
Replies: 19
Views: 16,490
Posted By Ian
Hi Pendita65, The "Moro" kris you show is in...

Hi Pendita65,

The "Moro" kris you show is in Melayu dress. It is missing any asang asang (stirrup) to clamp the gangya and blade together. The multifaceted hilt is consistent with Melayu hilts and...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 25th August 2024, 06:10 AM
Replies: 5
Views: 10,050
Posted By Ian
Hello Air, Welcome to the Forum! I see that...

Hello Air,

Welcome to the Forum! I see that werecow has appraised you already of some of the forum requirements. Thanks werecow.

As suggested, please do use the forum search engines to help...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 25th August 2024, 12:20 AM
Replies: 21
Views: 18,356
Posted By Ian
Origin of this sword blade

Age of this sword was discussed in the previous post.

I think the style of this one is atypical for Moro work. Its dress appears to be Sulu: the previous twin asang asang and the hilt style would...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 24th August 2024, 11:52 PM
Replies: 21
Views: 18,356
Posted By Ian
Dating this sword

Ray, thank you for sharing this interesting sword!

If we step back from the sword itself, and think about why Moro kris increased in length and width relative to "early" versions, the prevailing...
Forum: Ethnographic Miscellania 21st August 2024, 07:36 PM
Replies: 1
Views: 30,131
Posted By Ian
Thanks IP.

Thanks IP.
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