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aspalathos 11th April 2026 09:34 AM

Dalmatian yatagan
 
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Yatagan with inscription

AHorsa 11th April 2026 08:49 PM

Beautiful piece. Thank you for sharing!

serdar 15th April 2026 08:51 AM

That is a realy interesting yatagan/handzar, it is made in dalmatia definetly but it mimics yatagans from boka kotorska, its made in brass and leser quality than bokeljski.

But most interesting part is engraving on the back, it mimics several yatagans i saw that were used or made in dalmatia under austrian, but year is little to early for that, writing is realy strange and i dont se a reason for that writing style on a dalmatian yatagan from year 1801, it should be a owner name Marko Vukasović, but why it is writen in that way in 1801 it is strange and doesent fit at all, in first half of 19 century in dalmatia it should be writen only in bosančica, a croatian cirilic leters, not in this how would be caled austrianized leters and style.

I encountered several yatagans of ottoman origin, not dalmatian made, with later aded names of owners in this style of writing a domestic name, but all are aded after 1860, year 1801 and this style doesent go together, maybe it is later aded in honor of someones birth date or what ever.

But all in all interesting yatagan.

Victrix 17th April 2026 10:23 PM

I think in Europe national languages were standardised in the second half of 19thc and before that people wrote phonetically pretty much the way they wanted. This way of spelling could be Italian. It’s too early for the French era.

Hotspur 19th April 2026 12:29 PM

I'd very interested if you could share some dimensions. The weave of the background makes it seem more knife size but that is probably misleading. The shot at the throat makes the few finger tips, out of perspective.

Neat piece.

serdar 19th April 2026 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Victrix (Post 303080)
I think in Europe national languages were standardised in the second half of 19thc and before that people wrote phonetically pretty much the way they wanted. This way of spelling could be Italian. It’s too early for the French era.

Nice observation on Italian origin, But, italians dont use W in their alphabet, Austrians do use W.
And there are several yatagans in Croatian museums in Dalmatia with identical, writing all atributed to Austrian.

In this case it is for sure latter aded Austrian version of name Marko Vukasović, very comon name in dalmatian background Dalmatinska Zagora, mostly populated with vlaji or morlaci.

Victrix 20th April 2026 06:54 PM

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Yes I know VW which the Germans pronounciate “folksvagen.” In this case it looks like it could be a superimposed V and a latin U which looks like a W? Otherwise the latter U seems to be missing. The picture of the painting shows that they used the “-ich” spelling in Latin at least until late 19thC when they introduced the C letters with umlauts like ć, č and what have you in a standardized local language. Not a linguist here so could be wrong.

aspalathos 22nd April 2026 04:13 PM

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Hello, it looks a bit like a kind of Roman capital, combining two letters into one. At that time, it was written in various ways, influenced by Austria-Hungary, Italy... the church... there was also a difference between the north and the south. With Ljudevit Gaj, a reform was introduced.
Here's another one found on Hvar Island a few years ago

aspalathos 22nd April 2026 04:55 PM

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It is possible that it is a ligature of the letters V and U
In any case, interesting. There were also cases in rural areas when the craftsman was illiterate and would copy various letters from Cyrillic, Bosnian and some invented symbols Since neither the craftsman nor the buyer were literate, it didn't matter what was written.Example ..

aspalathos 22nd April 2026 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Victrix (Post 303080)
I think in Europe national languages were standardised in the second half of 19thc and before that people wrote phonetically pretty much the way they wanted. This way of spelling could be Italian. It’s too early for the French era.

Exactly. For example, the letter w is very hard to find in print but it is there in manuscript then.

aspalathos 22nd April 2026 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotspur (Post 303096)
I'd very interested if you could share some dimensions. The weave of the background makes it seem more knife size but that is probably misleading. The shot at the throat makes the few finger tips, out of perspective.

Neat piece.

Here

serdar 25th April 2026 03:29 PM

This one fromHvar is much better, Jure Pašalić 1843, ajd bar jedan Hercegovac 😁😁

aspalathos 28th April 2026 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by serdar (Post 303174)
This one fromHvar is much better, Jure Pašalić 1843, ajd bar jedan Hercegovac 😁😁

:) Kako kome ,meni je draži ovaj.

serdar 3rd May 2026 09:15 PM

Oba su prekrasna 😃
Lijepi komadi, cestitam!
😃👍🏻

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Both are beautiful 😃
Nice pieces, congratulations!

aspalathos 9th May 2026 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by serdar (Post 303278)
Oba su prekrasna 😃
Lijepi komadi, cestitam!
😃👍🏻

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Both are beautiful 😃
Nice pieces, congratulations!

Hvala ..no neusporedivo s ovima na vašoj profilnoj fotki . Rado bih jedan srebrni s koraljima ako znate da negdje ima


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