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Post 1947 with artificial aging... So made with the intention to deceive... Spiral |
Thanks, I think I'll stick with edged weapons.
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Me to.... ;)
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This is a great thread!
Spiral, (sorry, IDK your name), I just don't trust government types getting involved, telling the collecting community what they can and cannot collect. They are up against folks who may have forty years experience dealing in the substance they're trying to ban, but they, individually, have a very short time investment attempting to learn the intricacies. So in order to get up to speed they must rely on papers or books that may be full of information that is outdated or just plain wrong. I didn't want to bring this up, but if you go back to the early 1990's and have a look at the way the Janet Reno era gun regulations were written, they were full of discrepancies and just plain bad info. |
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S so its an "understanding" that leads you to think certification is changing... So it may or may not be so? Its cheaper for those that wished to forge Victorian paperwork than pay an expert, so how will they check the paperwork? ... Pay another expert to give their opinion on the paper work? I know some laws are stupid & illogical , but that really doesn't make sense & would cost them rather than you money. I know an expert can argue anything, but that's why I said the experts they except. {Ones they presume are knowledgeable & reliable.} I agree many laws are badly, written discussion of gun laws is obviously not relevant, to this discussion though. I could say that there sensible laws banning murder in response.... But that would be equally not relevant to the discussion of ivory laws. Spiral |
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I am under the impression from recent reading that it costs about $350 per item, But a decade plus ago it was thousands. So I guess if a business was set up or a university wanted funds, & 100s of test were done the price would drop massively. Spiral |
Sorry for the question, but..........
What do they define "ivory" as? I meet folk who say only elephant is ivory..others who say any tooth or tusk is ivory from any animal...be that hippo,walrus,warthog,whale,deer,mastodon,mammoth etc Ric |
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a hard creamy-white substance composing the main part of the tusks of an elephant, walrus, or narwhal, often (especially formerly) used to make ornaments and other articles. Though i am not sure what part of a deer might be considered ivory… :) These new laws, however, are, for the most part, directed at elephant ivory in an attempt to end the poaching of elephants specifically. Though i would imagine that most of the inspectors probably wouldn't be able to distinguish elephant from marine ivory. :shrug: |
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http://www.fws.gov/lab/ivory_guide.php One would think that the powers that be would utilize them. I'd hate to see multi thousand year old walrus tusks destroyed because there is not certificate stating that they are not elephant. Ric |
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There is already a raft of laws re. walrus ivory in place in USA, one can presume the enforcement of those laws may receive a higher priority than in the last decade though. spiral |
Awesome skull Spiral…vampire deer! :eek: ;) :D
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They are arnt they!
& Not to forget the Chinese water deer... ;) |
Another nice one…i'm not so sure that these long incisors actually qualify as ivory per se, but they are cool. Probably too small for the kind of usage we generally see on old weapons (whole hilts or hilt scales for instance), but still very interesting. :)
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For sure! It would have to be a tiny shamshir! :D
Just the nearest thing to deer ivory there is... they are sold as tusks not teeth & used for some tribal jewellery I think, in far east. :shrug: spiral |
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These might be large enough for a small knife hilt. :D
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But hes watching you... & listening with those teddy bear ears! spiral |
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Not New Jersey , But relevant to those in the Uk... & probably all other so called "civilised" countries given time..
Perhaps The beginning of the end for miss labelling Ivory dealers & auction houses in the UK.. Seems like the police are doing the radioactive isotope check. spiral link |
Looks like the value, and price, of ivory just increased again.
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Or just decreased in the UK unless clearly pre. 1947... Id guess clearly pre. 1947 as you say will become more valuable! Who wants a collection of stuff that brings police through your front door? Only those who are fools or think {or actualy may be.} above the law. Some UK dealers & collectors{{Most are members of this forum.} Even if they don't declare such stuff here.} have apparently cleared out anything not definitely pre that date over the last few months. Why take the risk... being the consensus. Times they are a changing... {as someone said 40 or 50 years ago in a little ditty...} Spiral |
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You can still import ivory into New Jersey provided you have shot the elephant yourself. The UK Auctioneers subject to this prosecution have decided selling ivory is too risky and so now will not sell any at all. Regards Richard |
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The UK Auctioneer is an amusing chap, Hes gone from claiming it was a one off mistake & he was a scapegoat for apparently not naming the seller? {Shades of Omerta!}To now proclaiming he will now "lead the way" in ending the Ivory trade in UK auctions! Apparently 16 other London dealers are awaiting notice of prosecution. spiral |
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Was the first part re. wealth acceptable? It seemed relevant? After all to fly to Africa, shoot a tusker, have the tusks removed & flown back to New Jersey , with the accompanying safari ,plane, hotel & "legal" paperwork fees probably come to over $150.000 minimum? If not I apologise for that as well & it wont happen again. spiral |
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